Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[3MTA3]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1604390153509916672

Rarely do you hear anyone correctly use the term "Jim Crow Law". This is one of those times.

 

[Librarian]

Well, this looks like fun. Seems to be accurate; didn't check anything.

Link came from OFF.

Oregon Ballot Measure 114: Everything You Need To Know In One Place, Without Partisan Spin, And In Chronological Order

Oregon’s new Ballot Measure 114 has been in the news the last two months. Measure 114 passed with a narrow margin and is now subject to challenges as to its

www.einnews.com

Oregon Trial Attorney Michael Romano in conjunction with Oregon.Legal has put together a detailed timeline of the developments concerning Ballot Measure 114 and has shared it here. From this timeline, readers can see a chronological account of the measure, and also read the pleadings, declarations, and orders themselves—without being unfairly influenced by spin.

 

[Yarome]

Well, this looks like fun. Seems to be accurate; didn't check anything.

Link came from OFF.

Oregon Ballot Measure 114: Everything You Need To Know In One Place, Without Partisan Spin, And In Chronological Order

Oregon’s new Ballot Measure 114 has been in the news the last two months. Measure 114 passed with a narrow margin and is now subject to challenges as to its

www.einnews.com

That's, largely, a fair accounting, but try as they might... there is still a bit of "spin" in their "without being unfairly influenced by spin" narrative. Not that I'm complaining. It's entirely accurate, but,"...the judge correctly found..." in their synopsis has a slight hint of bias support.

If we're splittin hairs....

You have to be careful. A woke will take anything they can interpret to be bias... in an unbias reporting... to discount all other portions. No matter how accurate.

 

[MountainGirl]

That's, largely, a fair accounting, but try as they might... there is still a bit of "spin" in their "without being unfairly influenced by spin" narrative. Not that I'm complaining. It's entirely accurate, but,"...the judge correctly found..." in their synopsis has a slight hint of bias support.

If we're splittin hairs....

You have to be careful. A woke will take anything they can interpret to be bias... in an unbias reporting... to discount all other portions. No matter how accurate.

If you don't mind me splittin your split hair -

More context would be needed re the use of the word 'correctly': Was it 'correct' because the Constitution/caselaw/precedent/etc was followed - or 'correct' because we liked it.

I did not read the sentence you are referencing, and yield to you to decide if it was biased or not, in this case.

And, I agree re using caution - in all things, these days.

 

[Yarome]

If you don't mind me splittin your split hair -

More context would be needed re the use of the word 'correctly': Was it 'correct' because the Constitution/caselaw/precedent/etc was followed - or 'correct' because we liked it.

I did not read the sentence you are referencing, and yield to you to decide if it was biased or not, in this case.

And, I agree re using caution - in all things, these days.

Well... "correctly" to anyone with half a brain and based on case law/precedent/etc... yes. But for those that disagree that it includes mags, such as the district judge in OR... they would argue that he ruled "incorrectly". It would have been enough to simply states that he ruled in that way without noting if his judgement was "correct"... or not. It introduces an "assessment/judgement" on the ruling rather than stating only the core facts. IE., "...the judge found..."

 

[The Heretic]

Well... "correctly" to anyone with half a brain and based on case law/precedent/etc... yes. But for those that disagree that it includes mags, such as the district judge in OR... they would argue that he ruled "incorrectly". It would have been enough to simply states that he ruled in that way without noting if his judgement was "correct"... or not. It introduces an "assessment/judgement" on the ruling rather than stating only the core facts. IE., "...the judge found..."

Yup - the day of reporting "just the facts mam" are long gone. Instead of facts about an event, and letting the reader make their own decision about the event, at best we get a qualitative & subjective adjective qualifier attached to the fact. And those are the facts; I can't remember the last time I read a news article about a controversial political issue/event where there wasn't some spin attached that showed bias on the part of the author.

 

[_Will_]

Yup - the day of reporting "just the facts mam" are long gone. Instead of facts about an event, and letting the reader make their own decision about the event, at best we get a qualitative & subjective adjective qualifier attached to the fact. And those are the facts; I can't remember the last time I read a news article about a controversial political issue/event where there wasn't some spin attached that showed bias on the part of the author.

Oregon is the opposite of Dragnet or Joe Friday " just the facts"

Criminals=good

Drugs=good

 

[MountainGirl]

Yup - the day of reporting "just the facts mam" are long gone. Instead of facts about an event, and letting the reader make their own decision about the event, at best we get a qualitative & subjective adjective qualifier attached to the fact. And those are the facts; I can't remember the last time I read a news article about a controversial political issue/event where there wasn't some spin attached that showed bias on the part of the author.

Hell - even that can reveal a bias... via which valid 'facts' are presented and which valid 'facts' are left out.

 

[The Heretic]

Hell - even that can reveal a bias... via which valid 'facts' are presented and which valid 'facts' are left out.

Agreed - I tend to listen to PBS news when driving - especially if they are rebroadcasting BBC (Marketplace too - good stuff on the economy). I hear less bias there, but they do leave out important facts on some controversial issues.

Mostly I filter any news source as I know everybody has bias and few won't let it affect their reporting of news. I can pickup on the events and issues, and then do my own online research later if needed. If nothing else, it is good to hear what various sides of an issue/event have to say about it and not just what you want to hear - if for no other reason than to know what the different opinions are.

 

[br1sket]

Agreed - I tend to listen to PBS news when driving - especially if they are rebroadcasting BBC (Marketplace too - good stuff on the economy). I hear less bias there, but they do leave out important facts on some controversial issues.

Mostly I filter any news source as I know everybody has bias and few won't let it affect their reporting of news. I can pickup on the events and issues, and then do my own online research later if needed. If nothing else, it is good to hear what various sides of an issue/event have to say about it and not just what you want to hear - if for no other reason than to know what the different opinions are.

This is smart imop. I first realized this (in the most blatant example) when the boston bomber brothers were being hunted in the streets. On domestic US telivision they werent saying or showing hardly anythihg, but i found some interet streams from foreign news sources and they showed the cops all lining up and dumping hundreds of rounds into the boat they were hiding in.

This is not really a comment on that specific action, but rather the reality that our domestic news shades/hides/completely inverts events as they are unfolding to fit their narrative. You will hear a news story of an unarmed minority being shot by police, then 3 weeks later we find out he was armed and shooting at the police, and even the police involved were themseleves minorities. But for 3 weeks straight the news will run a delibrerly false narrative to foward their political agenda. This cycle repeats with nearly every high profile shooting. This makes it hard to identify and separate actual instances where the police were guilty (which obviously does happen too).

 

[The Heretic]

This is smart imop. I first realized this (in the most blatant example) when the boston bomber brothers were being hunted in the streets. On domestic US telivision they werent saying or showing hardly anythihg, but i found some interet streams from foreign news sources and they showed the cops all lining up and dumping hundreds of rounds into the boat they were hiding in.

This is not really a comment on that specific action, but rather the reality that our domestic news shades/hides/completely inverts events as they are unfolding to fit their narrative. You will hear a news story of an unarmed minority being shot by police, then 3 weeks later we find out he was armed and shooting at the police, and even the police involved were themseleves minorities. But for 3 weeks straight the news will run a delibrerly false narrative to foward their political agenda. This cycle repeats with nearly every high profile shooting. This makes it hard to identify and separate actual instances where the police were guilty (which obviously does happen too).

Yes, yet another reason to not jump to the conclusions that the PTB/et. al. want us to jump to.

And when the real facts come out, then all the people who made a lot of noise pointing fingers and blaming this or that, or people, are just as silent as the media/gov is - it has passed their limited attention span and limited ability to comprehend.

 

[Member 24198]

Yes, yet another reason to not jump to the conclusions that the PTB/et. al. want us to jump to.

And when the real facts come out, then all the people who made a lot of noise pointing fingers and blaming this or that, or people, are just as silent as the media/gov is - it has passed their limited attention span and limited ability to comprehend.

 

[The Heretic]

 

[street]

 

[tkdguy]

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Obviously there is no elected corruption in the Oregon State Government nor the State's 114.

 

[Librarian]

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Significant - see https://t.co/HdotQSbtbX

Parties are arguing about what the injunction should cover, but all agree to consolidate all 4 cases for preliminary activities --

The parties request that the Court enter an order that:
Oregon Firearms Federation, et al. v. Brown, et al., No. 2:22-cv-01815-IM be designated as the lead case (L.R. 42-4(a));
the following cases be designated as trailing cases:
Fitz, et al. v. Rosenblum, et al., No. 3:22-cv-01859-IM
Eyre, et al. v. Rosenblum, et al., No. 3:22-cv-01862-IM
Azzopardi, et al. v. Rosenblum, et al., No. 3:22-cv-01869-IM
all future filings or other docket activities related to any of the cases be filed on the Oregon Firearms Federation docket only; and
the case number and designation of the lead case be listed first in the document title of every document filed in any of these cases.

 

[PiratePast40]

I just read the whole thing and my heads hurts. Biggest takeaway for me was the number of lawyers we're paying the state to ram this thing up our behinds! Looks like we're paying nine of them. Wonder how much this is costing us.

 

[nwslopoke]

I just read the whole thing and my heads hurts. Biggest takeaway for me was the number of lawyers we're paying the state to ram this thing up our behinds! Looks like we're paying nine of them. Wonder how much this is costing us.

Every cent they ask for.

 

[Cavedweller]

I just read the whole thing and my heads hurts. Biggest takeaway for me was the number of lawyers we're paying the state to ram this thing up our behinds! Looks like we're paying nine of them. Wonder how much this is costing us.

There goes the kicker! (pun intended)

 

[156256Hunter]

The State now has private attorneys helping them (Markowitz Herbold firm), not just AG office. Those private attorneys will cost a lot more than what the State's own attorneys earn per year (I posted on another thread, some links to some older Willamette Week articles on the firms representation of the State in other lawsuits, and how long they've been representing the State)