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Looking for best place to buy M4 lower around Everett/Seattle area

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by whitecobrapilot, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. whitecobrapilot

    whitecobrapilot Everett, WA New Member

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    I was originally planning on buying a complete Bushmaster M4 but then realized I could probably get a better rifle and maybe cheaper buying the lower either complete or stripped and then buying a very good upper and putting them together myself. Just happened upon this forum and read the 4 page thread about if a Bushmaster AR-15 is good or not and now I am questioning the quality of the bushie lower even though i've always heard good things.

    The one store i've checked so far said a complete lower with adjustable stock (bushie) was $350. Is that good bad average? Any suggestions?
     
  2. whitecobrapilot

    whitecobrapilot Everett, WA New Member

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    After poking around and reading it seems Bravo Company Lowers are looked at as being extremely well made and the price on their website is 360 ($10 more than I was quoted locally for a bushie lower) is it a much better lower? Anyone recommend a FFL to have it shipped to if thats the route to go?
     
  3. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    blah blah blah, a lower is a lower, keeps you from carrying the lpk around in a bag
     
  4. Mr. Ben

    Mr. Ben Snohomish Co. Active Member

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    Surplus ammo and arms, aero precision lower. I think Sam's in s. Everett carries them now too.
     
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  5. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    Buy a lower from a local retailer. It is cheaper in the long run. If you buy online and have it shipped then you have to pay shipping, a transfer fee, and tax on all of it. I buy mine from Discount Gun Sales on Evergreen Way. This also gives you the ability to inspect the product before purchasing it. The last lower I bought I inspected 5 different ones before I found one I was happy with.
     
  6. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    I have to disagree with you. Milling ridges and sharp edges around holes and 90 degree corners can decrease the life and add points of failure on aluminum products.
     
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  7. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Just my opinion name brand companies do have a rep to keep BCM is very Reputable. Bushmaster has put out quite a bit of rifles being a company thats been around for quite some time every company at some point will put out some duds with the large numbers produced and you will usually hear about the bad before the good

    but over all a lower receiver is a lower receiver provided its not some low budget receiver where they cut corners to save on cost. and keep in mind some times a brand name is just that a brand name and that name alone can tack on $ and be no different .

    The "M4" lower your gonna find is a colt and thats only because it has a "M4" stamped on it other wise its just another colt lower.

    I think its important to make sure it has mil spec or better anodising as that strenghtens the surface of the receiver which is important on the ware points like what holds the trigger pins and and take down pins. I think all receivers have this but i don't know for sure.

    Rounded edges as mentioned would be important as well but i have not seen any that look much different from others as far as forged lowers .

    I don't any one still makes them but i would not buy a cast receiver over a forged one

    Bushmaster makes a good receiver safe to say as good as bcm but some of the other parts though ???

    I have heard very little about lower receiver failure . But fit is another issue if you can see how well your upper fits the lower before you buy it so you don't have that sloppyness found in some upper to lowers

    check out this chart as far as material
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AqmgMm61Ok7WdExwaG16OENzOEZ1akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html


    and as long as it was not made on the last hour of a friday before a 3 day weekend you should be good to go.:bluelaugh:
     
  8. wedge556

    wedge556 seattle Member

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    There's Rainier Arms in Auburn. They carry LMT and some others in addition to their own line of lowers and uppers. Nice folks.
     
  9. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    show me, failures after 5,000, 20,000, 100,000 rounds? if so, so what, I can buy 3-4 recievers for the price of a "high end" reciever. odds are pretty fair this fellows ar won't get shot that much.
     
  10. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    I didn't say it does lead to failure. I said it can lead to failure. Sharp edges and milling marks are known to be a contributing factor to aluminum failure. I would like to see you buy 3-4 receivers for 150 plus tax.

    None of the receivers at Discount Gun Sales are considered high end, they carry SLR15, S&W, DPMS, CMMG, Bushmaster, etc. They are the same you would buy online but the receiver cost is $10-20 more. This does not equate to a savings when buying off the internet because of the other added costs. The benefit, along with the savings, is that you get to inspect the product and can be sure you are not getting the one that was made at 3:30pm on a Friday before a long weekend.
     
  11. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    I go to SAA and buy 3 stripped aeros for less than 250 or a complete M4 type lower for less than 200. Lower recievers are actually under very little stress. cnc machines do not care what day of the week it is. The machinery is all programmed to the same dimensions. All the manufacturers buy forgings from the same few suppliers the major difference is how well the machinery used to machine the forgings is maintained. Visual inspections only relate to the cosmetics, unless of course you can peer below the metals surface. If all the parts are held in the same relationship to each other there is no difference. I am sure the different manufacturers will go on at length how much better their recievers are compared to the competition. But, that is what is refered to as marketing, and has nothing to do with the product.
     
  12. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    I will agree to disagree with you about the edges and milling. I know the lower is under very little stress but I guess I am just a little more picky when it comes to the quality of machining in the products I buy.

    I agree the Aero receiver is a great deal for people close to SAA but for us up north the time and cost to travel to get the deal makes it about the same as buying locally.
     
  13. Mr. Ben

    Mr. Ben Snohomish Co. Active Member

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    Go to Sam's. My good friend said they had about 10 of the AP-15 lower receivers last week. Similar price to SAA, but the parts kits were a tad more expensive.
     
  14. das_napeth

    das_napeth Snohomish, WA Member

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    I vote for using Guardian Tactical in Bothell, Jeff is a great guy.
     
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    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    I don't shop at Sam's or recommend them to anyone.
     
  17. whitecobrapilot

    whitecobrapilot Everett, WA New Member

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    Looks like Guardian Tactical in Bothell has Spike's lowers (but not in stock) so that may be a good option. DSG in Kirkland were the ones that quoted 350 on the bushmaster lower, i've bought a pistol from them before when they had an anniversary sale or something once. Is BCM ONLY available only shipped to a FFL or is there any local store that might have them? Good to have options after all.

    As to the quality long life etc comments, while this will not be a duty rifle and hopefully my life will not depend on it, I do not plan on having multiple ARs so buying one that will last through many thousand rounds as my first and last AR is definitely important.
     
  18. 74sporty

    74sporty metro portland Active Member

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    +1 for SAA. Their stuff is cheap! For under $300 you can get an upper and lower reciever with lpk, bcg, deflector and foward assist button. Aero precision is an aero space company. They meet FAA requirements. They know how to cut their metal... and their local. I also just got a notice from Rainier Arms saying that they have their 16'' match SS barrel with mid length gas system for $189! I didn't even want to tell anyone that! Thats still under $500! Plus $60 for generic tube and stock and $25 for a hand guard. Build it!
     
  19. Spadkarma

    Spadkarma South Lake Whatcom Member

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    I think my next build will be with a Ranier Arms Zombie lower and a Daniel Defense LPK from Ranier Arms.
     
  20. wedge556

    wedge556 seattle Member

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    Ya know, Rifle Gear (riflegear.com) has their own flavor of uppers and lowers. Of course that's mail order....
    Seems like more and more folks are carrying their own line of lowers and uppers. And from the specs, some better than others.