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Let's take a look at a country's gun control measures that actually work.

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by deadeyed, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. deadeyed

    deadeyed Eugene Oregon Member

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    Switzerland: Neutral, and from what I hear, a great place to live. As long as you have layers on.

    In Switzerland every male is required to serve in the Army for two years, and (I think) they're in the Reserves until they're 45 yrs old. After their active duty, they go home with their rifle, a SIG 550 (lately) capable of full auto fire. So, in virtually every Swiss household there is a very real select fire automatic assault rifle chambered in 5.56/.223, or several, as you can pass them down over the generations. Ammo is provided by the government in most situations. When was the last mass shooting in Switzerland? That's a rhetorical question, of course. Why the difference between the U.S. and the Swiss? Obviously assault rifles have nothing to do with it (other than the fact that in both countries they provide an inhibitory effect against home invasions)!

    More clues:

    Societal Respect - that works
    Health (incl. mental) care system - that works
    Government - that works
    Laws - that work

    None of the above apply to the USA in it's current configuration.

    We can learn a lesson here, and shouldn't be above doing just that.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    They are also freedom hating socialists, we can't use them as an example :)
     
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  3. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    As a vet, I think that it would do our country a world of good to have everyone who is physically able, do a 2 year stint in the service. This of course would step on free will, and much of what this country is about. But people would know the value of life, have some discipline, and know how to work with people you don't like.

    There is far too much MEMEMEMEME attitude in this country, and that is a lot of our problem. Every person out there will tell you that they know what is best for you to make our society better.
     
  4. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    It would do a lot of good to have the draft, the Swiss way. One, we wouldn't be involved in so many wars - more people would care to be politically active if they felt that their sons could be sent to war and die. Second, it would not disrupt the life too much, like the continuous 2 year service would.
     
  5. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    It would have to definitely be tailored to Americans. But it is likely far to late.


    Maybe we should do like Starship Troopers!!!! You want to be a "citizen" who can vote? Serve in the bug wars!
     
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  6. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    We already have a framework in place. Guard matches closely to what Swiss are doing. But there would be a lot of resistance from the defense industry and the military itself - first would lose a ton of revenues from warfare, second would lose the jobs. Who needs that ? Better let's go kill some hajis! Or commies! Or aliens! Let's go kill something (tax payers will hold the tap open)! :D
     
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    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm sure if we think about it we can find something else to sic the war machine on to continue the climb of the empire, wait, sorry I got lost...I'm back now.
     
  8. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Last I read was that when the weapon went home they were changed to semi-auto only.
     
  9. pchewn

    pchewn Beaverton Oregon USA Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, it doesn't seem so good to me. I prefer the way things are now, here in Oregon, over Swiss laws. I hope to god we don't become as restrictive as the Swiss!

    International Focus: Switzerland - M1911.ORG E-zine

     
  10. deadeyed

    deadeyed Eugene Oregon Member

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    Even better, a semi-auto "assault" rifle in every home. Same principles apply.
     
  11. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    The last mass shooting to take place in Switzerland was in October of 2001 in the canton of Zug.
    14 people were killed.

    Conscription happens at 20, and the Rekruten Schule lasts 4 months. Afterwards, the soldier returns for a 1-2 week refresher course until the age of 40ish.
    Yes, the weapon comes home with the soldier, and a 60 round spam can of ammo.
    And if you ever wanted to see the inside of military jail, just open that spam can up without permission.

    When you retire, you may keep your weapon.
    But the fun button is taken away.

    I believe since the mid 00's soldiers can decide to get the whole thing done with in one year.
    There is also more flexibility given to those who want to serve their country, yet oppose the military.
    These people can help in various social programs throughout the country.

    Everyone in Switzerland is required by law to buy health insurance
    Most (90%) of the jobs are Union.
    Wealth redistribution through progressive taxation is taught in schools as a positive thing.
    (I saw the book, and read the passage. This was way back in 03 or 4)

    I had a good time when I lived there. Zurich is a fun city.
     
  12. 2Wheels4Ever

    2Wheels4Ever Portland Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    Their gun laws are in some ways stricter than ours. Have you seen them at a shooting range? There is a little cage that they shoot through, where their gun is chained so it can only shoot down range. Plus civilians can't own guns.
     
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    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  14. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    I have seen your thread, and haven't made corrections on purpose. It doesn't really matter what the actual regulations are in Switzerland. The only thing that they have in common with us is the large number of firearms in possession by the people.