1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!
  2. We're giving away over $850 in prizes this week -- enter now for your chance to win!
    Dismiss Notice

Lax gun control is real ‘problem’ with Fast and Furious

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by twoclones, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. twoclones

    twoclones Tri-Cities, WA Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    Dianne Feinstein | Gun Control | Fast and Furious | The Daily Caller

    Sen. Feinstein: Lax gun control is real ‘problem’ with Fast and Furious
    By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller 2:24 PM 11/01/2011

    Democratic California Sen. Dianne Feinstein told a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing that lax gun control laws, not Obama administration malfeasance within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF), was the real problem uncovered by Operation Fast and Furious.

    “My concern, Mr. Chairman, is there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made, but I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem,” Feinstein said during the Tuesday hearing. “And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything, .50-caliber weapons, sniper weapons, buy them in large amounts, and send them down to Mexico. So, the question really becomes, what do we do about this?”

    “I’ve been here 18 years,” Feinstein continued. “I’ve watched the BATF get beaten up at every turn on the road. And, candidly, it’s just not right.”

    After the hearing, Feinstein’s staff refused to answer when The Daily Caller asked how gun control laws would have prevented the abuses in Operation Fast and Furious when the law enforcement agents responsible for upholding gun laws were the individuals giving the weapons to drug cartels.

    They also refused to say whether the Sen. Feinstein wanted to hold Obama administration officials accountable for shipping guns into Mexico, for Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder, or for the murders of countless Mexican citizens directly resulting from the failed gun-walking program.

    When TheDC asked if Sen. Feinstein cared about the program’s connections to the murder of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata, Feinstein’s spokesman pointed to a comment she made during a March 9, 2011 hearing. Then, Feinstein did not mention any relationship between the murder and Operation Fast and Furious.

    House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa recently indicated that Attorney General Eric Holder may be withholding more information about Zapata’s murder.

    During Tuesday’s hearing, Sen. Feinstein advocated for Operation Fast and Furious as a springboard from which to advocate for gun control laws, including national databases and government-controlled firearms registration. She argued that such laws would prevent future programs like Fast and Furious from reaching maturity.

    “So, the question comes, what can we do?,” Feinstein asked Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, a hearing witness. “And, I’d really rather concentrate on the constructive, rather than other things, so the questions comes: Do you believe that, if there were some form of registration when you purchase these firearms, that that would make a difference?”

    Breuer, a high-ranking Obama administration official who is notable for his willingness to accept some responsibility for the scandal, said it would.

    “Senator, we’re talking today about transnational organized crime,” Breuer said, ”and your leadership, and the chairman’s, and other senators’ shows that information — information — is the tool we need to challenge and defeat organized crime.”

    “I know others disagree,” Feinstein added, “but we have very lax laws when it comes to guns and I think, to some extent, this influences BATF as to whether they have political support or not,” Feinstein said. “But, I think these numbers are shocking — and when you know the number of deaths these guns have caused, used by cartels against victims, it’s literally up in the tens of thousands.”

    According to the Obama administration’s BATF, 70 percent of weapons recovered in Mexico come from the United States. Feinstein insisted those numbers are a “very deep concern for me.”

    Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, contested the weapons-trafficking statistics Feinstein and Breuer cited, arguing that they appear to make the U.S. appear to be a more rampant source of illicit firearms than is actually the case. Grassley has been challenging those statistics since June, when he wrote a letter to then-acting BATF director Ken Melson.

    “I am concerned that the selective release of certain statistical data without further clarification and categorization may inaccurately reflect the scope and source of the problem of firearms in Mexico and the DTO [drug trafficking organization] violence,” Grassley wrote to Melson in June.

    At least 29 members of Congress have now called on Attorney General Eric Holder to resign over Operation Fast and Furious. With a Tuesday tweet, North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones became the latest, writing: “It’s time for Eric Holder to go!”
  2. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    Im pretty sure Obama is Holder and Feinstein's love child.
  3. CamoDeafie

    CamoDeafie Albany Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    to Diane Feinstein;

    i;m sorry but....what. the. bleep. "lax gun control"? HA. HA. HA. was it not the BATF-E who TOLD the dealers that it was OK, in fact threatened to shut them down if the dealers did not comply?
  4. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

    Likes Received:
    Note to officers. You are considered expendable to this administration if it fits there ultimate goals. Be warned.
  5. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Likes Received:
    Yeah, I wrote about this today, too.

    Bombshells and deflections in Fast & Furious investigation

    Anti-gun California Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s attempt to run interference for the Justice Department and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives during Tuesday’s discussion of Operation Fast and Furious before a Senate subcommittee rings hollow in the face of new disclosures about who knew what and when, and how the DoJ feared bad publicity about “gunwalking.”

    Bombshells and deflections in Fast & Furious investigation - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
  6. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    I would expect no less of Feinstein and her cohorts!

    Take an investigation into ATF and turn it into a plea for more gun control when ATF themselves proves it doesn't work!
  7. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    Feinswine is a traitor.
  8. twoclones

    twoclones Tri-Cities, WA Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    It would appear Diane Frankenstein is not the only one who thinks Americans are Morons.

    Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer Blames Second Amendment For ATF/DOJ Gun Walking Mistakes - Page 1 - Katie Pavlich - Townhall Conservative

    NOVEMBER 2, 2011

    Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer Blames Second Amendment For ATF/DOJ Gun Walking Mistakes

    By Katie Pavlich

    During a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing today on Capitol Hill, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who is facing pressure surrounding his role in the Obama Justice Department’s Operation Fast and Furious, asked for more gun control and blamed law abiding gun shop owners for violence in Mexico.

    Breuer declared that nearly 70 percent of guns found in Mexico come from the United States, a figure that has been disproven by the National Rifle Association, FactCheck.org, PolitiFact and by Senator Charles Grassley’s office multiple times. Also during testimony, Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein pushed for more gun control and Breuer expressed his agreement with her statements that American gun laws are too “lax” and therefore result it more violent crime.

    Feinstein asked Breuer if he thought a reporting measure for long gun rifles would be helpful to ATF. Breuer answered yes. Remember, the Department of Justice has already circumvented Congress by requiring the sale of multiple long gun rifles in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas be reported to the ATF. These new regulations were implemented in early July 2011:

    The international expansion and increased violence of transnational criminal networks pose a significant threat to the United States. Federal, state and foreign law enforcement agencies have determined that certain types of semi-automatic rifles – greater than .22 caliber and with the ability to accept a detachable magazine – are highly sought after by dangerous drug trafficking organizations and frequently recovered at violent crime scenes near the Southwest Border. This new reporting measure -- tailored to focus only on multiple sales of these types of rifles to the same person within a five-day period -- will improve the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to detect and disrupt the illegal weapons trafficking networks responsible for diverting firearms from lawful commerce to criminals and criminal organizations. These targeted information requests will occur in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to help confront the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico and along the Southwest Border.

    “The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,” Feinstein said.

    This comment by Feinstein was particularly disappointing considering during Operation Fast and Furious law abiding gun shop owners expressed deep discomfort with selling massive amounts of high powered weapons to known drug cartel straw purchasers, yet ATF officials told them to do so anyway, saying they would be “serving their country” by helping ATF in the operation.

    Breuer said the number one tool he needs is to know when guns are purchased, essentially what can be interpreted as a national reporting measure. What Breuer and Feinstein are missing is this: The Obama Justice Department in partnership with ATF is the largest American supplier of weapons to Mexican drug cartels through Operation Fast and Furious; not law abiding gun shops. See Obama DOJ Gave Cartel Enough Guns to Arm a Marine Regiment.

    Also, Breuer tried to claim that when Operation Fast and Furious came to light publically in Spring 2011 through media reports, ATF officials “made it clear” they don’t condone walking guns. Not true, in fact William Newell, ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division at the time Operation Fast and Furious was implemented (he has since been promoted to a cushy position in Washington D.C.) and carried out, wouldn’t rule out the idea of conducting another program like Fast and Furious in the future when asked during Congressional testimony in July 2011.

    As I wrote in July after a House Oversight Hearing about Fast and Furious:

    Former ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell would not condemn Operation Fast and Furious and allowing guns to walk into Mexico during testimony and questioning. In fact, Newell went so far as to say he was unaware of guns walking into Mexico, despite internal emails showing he did know. Newell admitted the agency made mistakes but would not admit the program was a bad idea and exposed that he was in communication with a member of the White House national security team. His testimony also conflicted with previous testimony given by Special Agent John Dodson of the Phoenix Field Division who said on June 15, “Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.”

    “At no time in our strategy was it to allow guns to be taken to Mexico,” Newell said, adding that at no time did his agency allow guns to walk.

    “You’re entitled to your opinion, not your own facts,” Issa responded.

    Yesterday Breuer came out publically to admit he had made a “mistake” by not telling Attorney General Eric Holder about gun walking that occurred under the Bush Administration through Operation Wide Receiver, saying essentially he should have sounded a warning about gun walking when it started to occur during Fast and Furious, but he remained silent. It is important to point out that under Wide Receiver, there was an effort to track 300 weapons in collaboration with the Mexican Government. Under Operation Fast and Furious, there was no effort to track 2,000 guns that were purposely walked in to Mexico and the Mexican Government was left in the dark about the operation. Today during testimony, Breuer said he, “Didn’t draw the connection,” between the tactics used in the two separate programs, which is hard to believe.

    Breuer’s testimony and statements about “not making connections” between two separate but similar gunwalking programs and his claim he never told Attorney General Holder about his concerns or Fast and Furious at all, raise new questions.

    Why is Breuer coming out with these revelations now? The House Oversight Committee Investigation into Fast and Furious has been going on for months, yet Breuer all the sudden regrets not sounding the alarm about the dangers of gunwalking when Operation Fast and Furious started in the Fall of 2009? While claiming he never told Attorney General Eric Holder about the program? Although Breuer claims he personally never told Holder about the tactics being used in Fast and Furious, five detailed memos about the lethal program dated July and August 2010 were addressed directly to Holder. Despite Breuer’s testimony, the question of “who authorized Fast and Furious,” remains unanswered.

    "The American people—and especially the family of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry—deserve answers from the Justice Department about why they claim they didn’t know gunwalking was occurring in Operation Fast and Furious when the department’s fingerprints are all over it," Senator Grassley said during the hearing.

    It looks like someone, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, is falling on a sword, and that sword happens to be Eric Holder’s.

    Katie Pavlich
    Katie Pavlich the News Editor at Townhall.com. Follow her on Twitter @katiepavlich.
  9. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

    Likes Received:
    Once again Hitler's psychological profile fits this administration to a t:

    "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
  10. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    It takes a special kind of stupid to fall for this misinformation. I honestly believe SanFranNan thinks this is perfectly logical, but she is batstuff crazy.

    Yeah, Breuer is going to be the scapegoat if they are successful.
  11. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    Buddhalux and (deleted member) like this.
  12. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Likes Received:
    Good publicity a higher priority at ATF than interdiction?


    Documents released Tuesday by Senator Charles Grassley relating to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ “gunwalking” activities dating back to late 2009 – a year before Operation Fast and Furious imploded with the slaying of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry – strongly suggest that the ATF was far more interested in big splash publicity than in keeping guns out of the hands of Mexican criminals.

    Good publicity a higher priority at ATF than interdiction? - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
  13. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

    Likes Received:
  14. FelidaHouse

    FelidaHouse Vancouver, WA New Member

    Likes Received:
    Your linked story is missing a key quote from Breuer:

    US official wants data to stem gun flow to Mexico