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It's been 18 years

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Jerry, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Jerry

    Jerry Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The ATF murdered 76 people including 17 children on this day, April 19, 1993.
     
  2. Shooter98

    Shooter98 McMinnville, Or. Member

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    um, yea.
     
  3. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I will never forgive or forget. The murderers are still free and sassy. Much of the blame actually lies with the FBI as well. They took over the nightmare from ATF after ATF bungled the initial "raid" like a bunch of low bred crack dealers
     
  4. Jerry

    Jerry Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Your right Blitzkrieg, it was the FBI that did the final killings and the murderers are still free.

    Man, the clinton years were some bad years!
     
  5. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Yea, there's a lot of folks that got off on those murders, Janet Reno among them. Granted, Koresh and his followers were a little nutty, but you don't kill someone for being a little nutty. If that were the case they'd have to off 1/4 of the population.
     
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    RallySoob Salem, OR Active Member

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    The waco thing was a huge mess for sure... I hope the police have changed a lot since then... I would hope. It seems they usually shy away from excessive force in those kind of situations these days anyway. Not that there has been a situation like that in a long time but I would assume the higher ups would seek to avoid such a senario these days. maybe not... I don't really know...just assuming
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    I'd say the police have gotten worse. Thank goodness we don't have leaders that run a surveillance state and maintain a justice-free prison. Oh, wait...
     
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    RallySoob Salem, OR Active Member

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    lol, I hear you, I hear you. But has there been an incident like Waaco afterwards that they handled in the same manner? or anything even close?
     
  9. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't Ruby Ridge after Waco?
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Ruby Ridge was Bush Sr, Waco was Clinton.

    The Waco and Ruby Ridge cases have much in common, he said. Both involved:

    violations of Americans' Fourth Amendment rights;
    use of excessive force; and
    prosecutorial and investigative misconduct.
     
  11. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Let's not forget the violation of the 2nd Amendment, entrapment in the Weaver case and outright cold blooded murder
     
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    jer fly cottage grove Member

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    They may not handle things the same, but the end result is the same. Now they just kill one or two at a time, easier to cover up.
     
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    coastal steelheader Aberdeen Well-Known Member

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  14. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I've watched Waco The Rules of Engagement a couple of times. Some pretty damning evidence. Particularly the FLIR videos of the personell carrier taken from the Helicopter and then slowed down. Pretty clear that the flashes were automatic weapons fire directed at the compound.