Is your EDC a Sig P365?

[Old Dog]

I own three P-365s, one an XL, one with a manual safety.

All have functioned flawlessly; all are accurate with excellent trigger pulls. My XL has about 3K rounds through it.

I'd never heard of this 20-something internet dude calling himself "Tactical Advisor," but that's a trash video. That "problem" pistol likely had a spring/sear issue, fouled FP channel, guide rod put in backwards, something stupid or some easy fix.

There's a very good reason the P-365 has been the best-selling sub-compact pistol in the country for the past few years.

Yes, my P-365 XL is pretty much my EDC these days.

 

[L84Cabo]

Go find a range with a good rental counter and put some rounds down range with one. I'm betting you will sort things out pretty quickly.

 

[DLS]

In my immediate family there are 4 P365s. Two of the original version, an XL and the new X model. The two older original versions (circa 2019) have about 3k+ and 2k+ rounds through them respectively. The XL was a former gun store / range rental firearm so I wouldn't be surprised it has 9 - 10K rounds through the pipe. The X model is new at around 350 or so.

No problems with any of them. They still shoot tight groups and function fine. I did replace all the springs, extractor and striker on the XL when I purchased it, that was a couple of thousand rounds ago. The other two got new trigger return springs at the 2k mark.

We all like them, obviously, and feel they shoot like a much bigger gun.

FWIW

 

[Catfishmoon]

I always encourage anyone considering a new handgun purchase to visit a range and if possible shoot that gun from their rental section if available. Recently I had some free time and decided to go shoot some guns that I had never shot, I currently own four 9mm's. I visited a local range and I shot 12 9mm's that I had never previously shot including a P365, I was not impressed by it. However, a Sig 226 was one of my favorites that day, the other was a Canik... We all have different preferences.

 

[peteNW503]

Well it sounds like the 365 is very unpopular based on this thread. It's amazing that it's been a best seller since it came out! FWIW, I'm either packing a 938 in my pocket or a 365 (the small original) in a mini-tuck. I really thought the 365 was a step forward when they came out so after the bugs seemed to be worked out I bought one. It's a little gun that shoots like a big gun. I find it very comfortable, accurate and it seems to eat everything but XTP's. My personal favorite cartridge in it is the 124gr plus p short barrel gold dots.

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I love that line " it's a little gun that shoots like a big gun." NO. No it does not lol the standard 365 is a 3.1 inch barrel I don't care what grip module you put on it a Sig Subcompact is not comparable in anyway to a 4.5 or 5 inch barrel handgun. I don't know if it's a false sense of security but let's not compared a subcompact to a full sized because there is nothing comparable IMO.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Having read through this entire thread y'all have convinced me.
I'm keeping my Glocks and will never own a Sig.

 

[peteNW503]

Having read through this entire thread y'all have convinced me.
I'm keeping my Glocks and will never own an Sig.

Good we just saved you thousands of dollars. Say what you will about having to fork out $100-200 dollars after buying a Glock. Realistically you only need to change the sights and stock up on mags. But are going to spend nearly twice if not three times more if you switch to Sig. I'll put it this way if you can ONLY own one gun and you intend on customizing it then the Sig makes sense. If you don't mind having multiple guns then just buy Glock because the amount your going to invest in that Sig you could have bought 2-3 Glocks. Some of those grip modules are like $250+ to each is own but the 365 has more recoil than the 43x and the 48 and 365XL are damn near identical in shoot ability.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Good we just saved you thousands of dollars. Say what you will about having to fork out $100-200 dollars after buying a Glock. Realistically you only need to change the sights and stock up on mags. But are going to spend nearly twice if not three times more if you switch to Sig. I'll put it this way if you can ONLY own one gun and you intend on customizing it then the Sig makes sense. If you don't mind having multiple guns then just buy Glock because the amount your going to invest in that Sig you could have bought 2-3 Glocks. Some of those grip modules are like $250+ to each is own but the 365 has more recoil than the 43x and the 48 and 365XL are damn near identical in shoot ability.

FYI p365 is $399 on sale and sig grip module is $40-$45. Wilson combat fancy grip module is $67.

 

[monks]

I love that line " it's a little gun that shoots like a big gun." NO. No it does not lol the standard 365 is a 3.1 inch barrel I don't care what grip module you put on it a Sig Subcompact is not comparable in anyway to a 4.5 or 5 inch barrel handgun. I don't know if it's a false sense of security but let's not compared a subcompact to a full sized because there is nothing comparable IMO.

I don't generally spend any time arguing with strangers on the internet, but I'm at work and it's cold out so what the heck! I stand by what I typed. The 365 has a better grip and shoots tighter groups at extended ranges then any other compact I've shot.The pistols I'm comparing to are the Glock 26, Xds, lc9, kahr cw9, s&w shield, PPk. I have not shot the hellcat yet so I cannot compare to it. I also have shot a lot of full size pistols, all the common ones and some not so common. I'll stand by my statement. The gun shoots outside its class.

 

[FourTeeFive]

FYI p365 is $399 on sale and sig grip module is $40-$45. Wilson combat fancy grip module is $67.

I really like the Wilson Combat WCP365 XL grip module. Takes the gun up to a whole new level.

For me the P365X (I've got a P365, P365X, and P365XL) is the best balance of capacity, weight, size (especially thickness), and reliability for a subcompact carry gun. I love my classic Sig, HK, and CZ guns, but nothing else gives me quite the combination I want for daily carry. My next step up for favorite carry gun is an HK P2000, but definitely more heft and bulk to it as its more in the Glock 19 size range.

 

[DLS]

I too will stand by my statement that the Sig shoots like a bigger gun.

I have direct experience (either owned or have shot and seen shot a great number of rounds through friends' guns) with 8 P365s and a few dozen Glocks of various flavors. The Sigs are definitely more accurate than the Glocks. I'd say on average, a good 1.5-inch tighter groups at 25 yards. Does this really matter in a self-defense gun? That's going to be different for different folks. To me it matters, to others it may not.

According to accelerometer tests and recoil analysis tests using tools like a Mantis-X, the Sigs 365 series recoil impulse is measurably less than the Glock 43 / 48 series of guns. So, making statements like the Glock recoils less is just not factual. Now, I do understand there is a difference between calculated recoil (a hard and consistent number) and perceived recoil. We all have different physiologies and utilize different pressures and grips on our firearms. This can and does translate into the shooter seeing and feeling more (or different) movement under recoil. Does this matter? Yes! So, shoot what works best for you, only a target and shot timer will tell you what really works. Put the guns to the test and then choose what flavor of firearm is best for you.

Regarding costs for the two platforms. The Sigs run about $50 more than Glocks if you are looking at "street prices". For that you get excellent tritium "X-Ray 3" sights. That will cost you another $100+ to retrofit a Glock. Every serious Glock owner I know (including me and my Glocks) have replacement triggers, another $100 plus. Most Sig owners I know keep the factory trigger and if anything, pull it out of the gun and do a little polishing of the moving parts.

If you are going to run the Shield magazines you need to install a Shield mag catch ($35), purchase Shield magazines and you lose the ability to use the polymer Glock or P-Mag style of magazines. It's not a bad idea to swap out the extractor and spring on a Glock as well as this is a common failure point on that platform. Again, this may or may not be an issue for any particular shooter. Both Glock and Sig have "Blue Label" programs for LEO, military etc. so that is a wash.

Swapping grip modules is easy on the Sig, if you care to do this (I did on one of mine). The high-end 'works of art' from the likes of Icarius are pricy ($250 plus) but modules from Sig, Mirzon, Wilson Combat, to name a few are much less, in the middle double digit price range. So it's almost impossible to not be able to fit the Sig to your hand. Glocks on the other hand get a lot of attention with the Dremel, to remove the "Glock Knuckle" trigger guard bump, finger grooves if it's a Gen 3 or 4, relieving the area behind the mag catch button etc.

So in the end does this really matter? Each to his own, and I say that seriously, not with any snark. If the Glock works for you shoot it. If the Sig (or CZ or S&W etc.) works for you, shoot that. What matters in the end is that when needed we can reliably and decisively hit our targets.

Cheers!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I really like the Wilson Combat WCP365 XL grip module. Takes the gun up to a whole new level.

For me the P365X (I've got a P365, P365X, and P365XL) is the best balance of capacity, weight, size (especially thickness), and reliability for a subcompact carry gun. I love my classic Sig, HK, and CZ guns, but nothing else gives me quite the combination I want for daily carry. My next step up for favorite carry gun is an HK P2000, but definitely more heft and bulk to it as its more in the Glock 19 size range.

You should try grand power rotating barrel guns. Q1 is g19 size and outshoots even full size metal single action guns with red dots for me. They make larger competition guns also.

Skip to 17:20 mark his experience is same as mine. On par or better than anything I have in terms of accuracy and getting back on target. Even guns costing 4x more.

View: https://youtu.be/Ojdlja2O1SY?si=9DB2XNQLDeP93CVs

Another reviewer on one of the completion models. Good as or better than modified shadow2 right out of the box.

View: https://youtu.be/gQJpDVxGjio?si=Da2eltJxaEJ617tJ

 

[The Heretic]

My 365 is my concealed carry pistol, but not my EDC as I rarely carry any gun - very little reason to where I live, and I am at home 99.9% of the time.

Far from my favorite SIG, but it is light and just the right size.

 

[washagonian]

Charmin Ultra Soft versus Quilted Northern Ultra Plush ... DISCUSS!



Opps ... wrong thread. Carry on ... carry on.

 

[Wyo79]

I love my 365X with a Icarus Precision grip module.
The added weight reduces muzzle flip and greatly improves the overall feel. Holsters are a biznatch to find. QVO makes a good one for this set-up.
It's never accidentally gone off. I carried a g42 and a g43 for years till I felt and shot this. I was instantly sold on the sig.

 

[washagonian]

Ok, not to be a complete turd - here is a substantive contribution to this thread. (This a fun thread to follow.)

I am not an Sig lover - but I'm not an Sig hater either. As far as the base-line, original form-factor, P365 goes, its reliable, small, great shooter, great capacity - it's still at the top of the heap as far as micro-nines goes.

I've owned two, P365's. Both were early production, bare-bones, nothing added or extended or fancy. Both were born AFTER July of 2018, when the breaking striker problem was fixed (remember the breaking striker in the early P365's). I had no problem with either. I shot the 365 well for its size and had enough confidence in it to use it as my EDC for a while. I carried the 365 for about a year (summer of 2018 to fall of 2019),

Among my experiences trying out different carry firearms, I switched to a Glock 43 right after it came out in 2014 and carried it for years with TTI +2 mag extensions. I've also carried a S&W Shield and a Kahr PM9 for a short while. Then, in July of 2019 Glock came out with the 43X. After Shield Arms came out with their flush-fit 15-round mag for the G43X - and being a Glock fan-boi and having carried the G43 for several years - I switched back to Glock and the new (at the time) 43X with the 15-round mag.

To that end, the original, small 365 is a excellent firearm and it's small size means it can serve in a variety of roles: main EDC in an IWB or OWB rig, pocket-carry around the house or out and about, tiny but powerful on-body backup or cache firearm, etc.,

Just my opinion.

TWYLALTR

Cheers.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

…. TWYLALTR…

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[washagonian]

ATLDD

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TMMLMACO

(that made me laugh my a$$ clean off)

 

[Old Dog]

I don't generally spend any time arguing with strangers on the internet, but I'm at work and it's cold out so what the heck! I stand by what I typed. The 365 has a better grip and shoots tighter groups at extended ranges then any other compact I've shot.The pistols I'm comparing to are the Glock 26, Xds, lc9, kahr cw9, s&w shield, PPk. I have not shot the hellcat yet so I cannot compare to it. I also have shot a lot of full size pistols, all the common ones and some not so common. I'll stand by my statement. The gun shoots outside its class.

I concur fully, But then, I'm probably a novice compared to some of the SIG haters posting, I've only been shooting handguns for 57 years, 44 of which were active duty military and law enforcement.

 

[HA556]

I don't follow popular opinions! I just go with what I want and what works for me. Every brand has good ones and bad ones at times. Like I said in my OP, I didn't like the way it felt at first. But, after handling it a good bit lately, you can see my mind was changed. Not by what anyone said, but by what my hands and mind felt. If it shoots as good as it feels to me now, I'll be good until the next whimsical desire hits me!