Indiana 'Legalizes' Right to Defense Against Cops

[Kevatc]

In this statement, one could exchange "cops" for "people" and acknowledge that we all share the danger.

Are you really saying that LEO's don't deal with any more dopers and dirtbags than the average Joe? C'mon!!!

 

[doubletapJim]

If you don't believe these then try the google search. Homeland Security funded local and state police depts. Your Federal tax money at work.

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Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast

Hmmm. Those are two great sources of reputable information. The Alexander Higgins blog and The Daily Beast. You can spin it how ever you want. They are in the business of making people paranoid in order to make cash. The "drone" they showed it completely incapable of shooting anything. Its an unstable platform that's has nothing but cameras. I'm not saying the other won't happen, but again as a means to avoid a deadly confrontation.

Many of the "drones" as you call them are nothing more than an eye in the sky at high risk incidents. They are also using them as a means to take aerial photographs of crimes scenes and traffic crashes to aid in the investigation.

It's not all doom and gloom. All of the cops I have ever worked with have nothing good intentions in mind. To protect and serve means something. It's very easy to criticize with 20/20 hind sight. But in moments when you have fractions of seconds to react its tough.

Cops tend to eat there own and weed out the bad eggs very quickly. Cops hate to see bad press also. It hurts to see one of our own make bad decisions. We want the bad ones gone or prosecuted as much as anyone else. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't needed as much as anyone else, but there is a lot of evil in the world.

OK back on track.

 

[BillM]

Name one agency using drones.

Miami-Dade.

Departments that have gotten certificates of authorization to deploy drones? A lot.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/...certificates-leaves-many-questions-unanswered

 

[DMax]

Hmmm. Those are two great sources of reputable information. The Alexander Higgins blog and The Daily Beast. You can spin it how ever you want. They are in the business of making people paranoid in order to make cash. The "drone" they showed it completely incapable of shooting anything. Its an unstable platform that's has nothing but cameras. I'm not saying the other won't happen, but again as a means to avoid a deadly confrontation.

Many of the "drones" as you call them are nothing more than an eye in the sky at high risk incidents. They are also using them as a means to take aerial photographs of crimes scenes and traffic crashes to aid in the investigation.

It's not all doom and gloom. All of the cops I have ever worked with have nothing good intentions in mind. To protect and serve means something. It's very easy to criticize with 20/20 hind sight. But in moments when you have fractions of seconds to react its tough.

Cops tend to eat there own and weed out the bad eggs very quickly. Cops hate to see bad press also. It hurts to see one of our own make bad decisions. We want the bad ones gone or prosecuted as much as anyone else. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't needed as much as anyone else, but there is a lot of evil in the world.

OK back on track.

Cops like any other organization are rank and file they do what they are told. I am saying the feds are ramping up funding to local and state departments using the patriot act as justification. Just because UAV's are unarmed today does not mean it can't change. This group of feds governs by fear and intimidation and that is the head of the snake. I have very good friends that are LEO's and they don't like the roles homeland security is forcing them into. Although they like the new toys they are getting. When you have federal gov(Homeland Security) dictating to local and state agencies that's the beginning of a police state plane and simple. Hopefully after Nov things will start to change back.

 

[billdeserthills]

Name one agency using drones. 99% of all the agencies in the country can't afford them or even the the small UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles). UAVs are basically small remote control helicopters with cameras. I'm not sure what you mean by swat tactics.

Border Patrol

 

[billdeserthills]

Hmmm. Those are two great sources of reputable information. The Alexander Higgins blog and The Daily Beast. You can spin it how ever you want. They are in the business of making people paranoid in order to make cash. The "drone" they showed it completely incapable of shooting anything. Its an unstable platform that's has nothing but cameras. I'm not saying the other won't happen, but again as a means to avoid a deadly confrontation.

Many of the "drones" as you call them are nothing more than an eye in the sky at high risk incidents. They are also using them as a means to take aerial photographs of crimes scenes and traffic crashes to aid in the investigation.

It's not all doom and gloom. All of the cops I have ever worked with have nothing good intentions in mind. To protect and serve means something. It's very easy to criticize with 20/20 hind sight. But in moments when you have fractions of seconds to react its tough.

Cops tend to eat there own and weed out the bad eggs very quickly. Cops hate to see bad press also. It hurts to see one of our own make bad decisions. We want the bad ones gone or prosecuted as much as anyone else. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't needed as much as anyone else, but there is a lot of evil in the world.

OK back on track.

Spoken just like a retired cop
The simple fact that this topic is currently being viewed shows you are incorrect.
So what is a "good cop" supposed to do when his incident report must match the
"bad cop's" report?
Does the good cop tell the bad cop to forget it, and keep his report honest?
Just wondering

 

[Stomper]

For the record I know doubletapJim personally, and can attest that he is one of the good cops, and my brother-in-law works for the same dept. and he is a good cop who has said time and again that he will refuse to comply if Big Brother "pulls out all the stops".

 

[chemist]

This is not a correct statement. The use of deadly force is just more publicized. It's actually way down, because of the use of more less than lethal use of force options. Cops carry a lot more tools now then they did 30-40 years ago.

OH REALLY??
This trend looks pretty flat to me...
Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Justifiable Homicides

On the other hand, the number of citizens committing justifiable homicides does indeed seem to be "way down."
And the number of cops being killed on the job has certainly been trending "way down" for decades...
http://farleftside.com/misc/2012/Law_Killed_by_Gun.gif

So back up your assertions, please, or correct your own statements first.

 

[billstaf]

Drones can be had for cheap. Here is an example...

Dutch artist turns dead cat into remote-controlled helicopter, dubbed

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I have often wondered what I would do in a situation where someone kicked in my door and was screaming "Police! Get on the ground!" Are they really cops? Why would they be bothering me? I would hate to comply with their "lawful order" only to then be robbed or worse in a home invasion. Unfortunately, there are instances of people impersonating officers to commit crimes. Worse, some officers abuse their position to perpetrate crime with respective impunity. So, yeah, I suppose that I'm ok with this Indiana law.

I have to admit I will shoot.. and they won't like it. Better get you address right first, lads

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

The problem is that the police in Indiana will now have greater cause to shoot first and ask questions later. After all, officer safety is paramount. In cases where they get the wrong address or bad information and they show up in a no-knock assault, they (cops) are going to be more willing to shoot people with remote controls or telephones in their hands "just in case."

 

[wichaka]

...and no-knock raids by local police in recent years.

No knock raids, as you call them can only be authorized by a judge.

 

[wichaka]

So what is a "good cop" supposed to do when his incident report must match the
"bad cop's" report?
Does the good cop tell the bad cop to forget it, and keep his report honest?
Just wondering

Yep. He does not take up the "sheep" mentality, if he/she does...time to cull the herd.

 

[wichaka]

OH REALLY??
This trend looks pretty flat to me...
Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Justifiable Homicides

On the other hand, the number of citizens committing justifiable homicides does indeed seem to be "way down."
And the number of cops being killed on the job has certainly been trending "way down" for decades...
http://farleftside.com/misc/2012/Law_Killed_by_Gun.gif

So back up your assertions, please, or correct your own statements first.

Killings of police officers up sharply - UPI.com

 

[billdeserthills]

Yep. He does not take up the "sheep" mentality, if he/she does...time to cull the herd.

That isn't how it worked out for me,
Real nice story tho, thanx

 

[MrNatural]

"The measure of a people's freedom is the point at which they will shoot their police." - Santayana

And so another People have defined their Point.

 

[MountainBear]

Arguing peoples emotions with facts is a losing cause some days Wichaka...

 

[dmancornell]

Killings of police officers up sharply - UPI.com

Nice mangling of statistics in that pseudo-news article:

"The number of U.S. police officers to die in homicides was up 75 percent in 2011 from 2008, FBI figures show."

So basically the writer picked some random low from 3 years back and compare against an aberrant high in 2011: "Sheriff Ray Foster lost four of the five deputies on the day shift in a single incident". And lo and behold: "Police fatalities were down in the first quarter of 2012, the FBI said."

I find it amusing that this amateurish stats twisting amounts to "fact" to a certain poster in this forum because it fits his delusions.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

It's not all doom and gloom. All of the cops I have ever worked with have nothing good intentions in mind. To protect and serve means something. It's very easy to criticize with 20/20 hind sight. But in moments when you have fractions of seconds to react its tough.

Cops tend to eat there own and weed out the bad eggs very quickly. Cops hate to see bad press also. It hurts to see one of our own make bad decisions. We want the bad ones gone or prosecuted as much as anyone else. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't needed as much as anyone else, but there is a lot of evil in the world.

OK back on track.

I have seen the exact opposite. Cops tend to cover up for the worst of their associates. Apologies to the good cops, I know they are out there

I'm a hard @$$ and I don't need cops but I know many people do

 

[RB87]

Killings of police officers up sharply - UPI.com

Radley Balko: Police Fatality Statistics Show 2012 On Pace To Be Safest Year For Police In 60 Years