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Indiana 'Legalizes' Right to Defense Against Cops

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by aslinged, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. aslinged

    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Quoting the article: "It's just a recipe for disaster". Potentially for a officer and certainly for a citizen no matter how justified. I can't imagine the odds are very good for a citizen being able to win a court case where they killed an officer.

    The one good thing that might come from this kind of law is for LEO's to just not break down a door to serve a search warrant but rather plan much better hopefully making it safer for them to serve a warrant.
     
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    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    There's no doubt that cops have been shooting more and more citizens, and something has to be done. BUT!

    Isn't this just going to provoke an overreaction from the LEOs who claim that hunting licenses have been issued against them?
     
  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I wonder how much those tags would cost, and what the bag-limit would be? :p
     
  7. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    This will wake up the new police state that the feds seem to be creating. Got to love those states rights.
     
  8. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member

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    I have often wondered what I would do in a situation where someone kicked in my door and was screaming "Police! Get on the ground!" Are they really cops? Why would they be bothering me? I would hate to comply with their "lawful order" only to then be robbed or worse in a home invasion. Unfortunately, there are instances of people impersonating officers to commit crimes. Worse, some officers abuse their position to perpetrate crime with respective impunity. So, yeah, I suppose that I'm ok with this Indiana law.
     
  9. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    The mention of the hypothetical situation of arriving to find an officer raping your wife or daughter reminded me of this: Cop Ladmarald Cates Convicted Of Raping Woman Who Called 911 | Breaking News for Black America

    Woman calls cops after someone throws a brick through a window. Cop sends boyfriend to get bottled water from the store. Cop rapes woman. If the boyfriend had shown up during the act, why should the officer have any more legal protection than a rapist without a badge? The officer was committing a violent crime. I believe it should be justifiable to shoot the guy at the point.

    The officer was convicted by the way: Sentencing of former officer Cates postponed - JSOnline
     
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  10. billstaf

    billstaf Portland, Oregon Active Member

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    This is a tough one. Most all cops are pretty decent guys that are doing a job most of us wouldn't want. It's not that being a cop is so dangerous, there are plenty of other occupations that are more dangerous, it is just that cops have to deal with idiots, dopers, and criminals day in and day out. After a few years of that stuff, some cops may tend to get a bit jaded.

    That said, I intend to defend myself if I'm threatened by anyone (including some roid-raged cop). If we obey a cop's lawful orders then there should be no problem, but sometimes cops can take it a little overboard. That has happened too many times here in Portland and some people are now dead as a result.
     
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    theguncrank Columbia County Active Member

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    In this statement, one could exchange "cops" for "people" and acknowledge that we all share the danger.

    I wonder why LEOs should be allowed to issue "lawful orders" to civilians. Should they not be requests? Thank you, Indiana, for taking a small step toward the restoration of Liberty. Or, at least a new discussion thereof.
     
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    doubletapJim Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Really Stomper?
     
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    doubletapJim Hillsboro, OR Member

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    This is not a correct statement. The use of deadly force is just more publicized. It's actually way down, because of the use of more less than lethal use of force options. Cops carry a lot more tools now then they did 30-40 years ago.
     
  14. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    You mean more drones and swat tactics Ya I guess I agree with that.
     
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    doubletapJim Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Name one agency using drones. 99% of all the agencies in the country can't afford them or even the the small UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles). UAVs are basically small remote control helicopters with cameras. I'm not sure what you mean by swat tactics.
     
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    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    In regards to drones, the agencies don't own them, they simply refer requests to the feds. Usually the local cops earned the "perk" via overzealous enforcement of federal "drug laws".

    On swat tactics, I believe the poster is referring to the extensive use of paramilitary tactics and no-knock raids by local police in recent years.
     
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    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That's when it's time to find another line of work or retire. Jaded + virtual immunity from prosecution + gun = dead citizens.
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Easy Jim, it was sarcasm relating to the "hunting license" comment that I quoted. I only hunt and shoot what I intend to eat, and since I don't eat junk food, you coppers are safe from me. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk! ;)
     
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    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    USDA may use drones to monitor vast Western rangeland | Government content from Western Farm Press

    So, yes there are agencies getting ready or already doing this.

    As their price drops, I'm expecting to see more and more of these. Until we have hit on the 'hover drones' similar to the Dark Angle series. It is just a matter of time, and computational on the behalf of the American people.
     
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    If you don't believe these then try the google search. Homeland Security funded local and state police depts. Your Federal tax money at work.

    Police Unleashing Army Of Assassination Drones Against US Citizens


    Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast