Other State Incredibly Insane Reasons For TX Bill to Remove their 'Castle Doctrine'

[nammac]

I think she already has:

Transfer of property? Like this is an equitable business deal or something!

Does my 'transfer' of a round of ammo to the robber equate to 'transfer of property' ?

Ah, the trading of commodity metals in exchange for target practice

 

[SUPER X]

Ah, the trading of commodity metals in exchange for target practice

Precious metals now days.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

On the forum I read this on the first part was suggested however there was no mention of the 2nd part - and her pic explains why not....
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is that danny trejo in drag? yikes

 

[LDmax]

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[Koda]

In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.

Im not seeing where Texas Castle doctrine is being overturned in this bill. Can you share a source for your information?

Texas HB196 | 2021-2022 | 87th Legislature

Bill Text (2021-02-25) Relating to the use of deadly force in defense of a person or property. [Referred to Criminal Jurisprudence]

legiscan.com

Texas Legislature Online - 87(R) History for HB 196

I dont agree with the law, what I see is its trying to add a requirement for a duty to retreat law in self defense cases outside ones dwelling.

 

[WillametteWill]

In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.

Im not seeing where Texas Castle doctrine is being overturned in this bill. Can you share a source for your information?

After seeing this on about 20 different sites (and making my broccoli comment on page #2) I looked up the proposed changes like @Koda and agree with the assessment. The significant changes are directed at outside the home and requiring a duty to retreat there. I have stated in several other posts that self defenders should focus on using deadly force against a deadly force threat. Laws like SYG and castle doctrine mainly just help support a reasonable decision to use deadly force in defense.

Although I disagree that these changes are needed, pro 2A sites should report honestly.

IMHO

 

[Howard1955]

Any argument for doing away with stand-your-ground home defense is just astonishingly stupid.

The Cheshire Murders: Innocence Lost

How the Judicial System Failed One All-American Family

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[SUPER X]

This is what some other states have as law.

This is what happens with attitude shifts and migration of people from other regions - their attitudes come with them.

But primarily it is about taking control of people, taking power away from them and shifting it to the government.

Voter pool munipulation

 

[edzz]

After seeing this on about 20 different sites (and making my broccoli comment on page #2) I looked up the proposed changes like @Koda and agree with the assessment. The significant changes are directed at outside the home and requiring a duty to retreat there. I have stated in several other posts that self defenders should focus on using deadly force against a deadly force threat. Laws like SYG and castle doctrine mainly just help support a reasonable decision to use deadly force in defense.

Although I disagree that these changes are needed, pro 2A sites should report honestly.

IMHO

Yes it is shameless when people follow MSM's lead in reporting...

IMHO

 

[Wood Worker]

But they were screaming I am gonna kill you and rape your woman while pointing to the pistola in their pantalones, I feared for me and mine and I beat him to the draw.....

 

[WillametteWill]

Yes it is shameless when people follow MSM's lead in reporting...

IMHO

Actually, that was the problem. I entered part of the quote allegedly from Representative Meza. After several pages using two different search engines, the ONLY websites where I could find the quote were on pro 2A sites, not a single MSM outlet. That seems strange to me. Perhaps it is different now, but it is not that important for me to look anymore after looking up the facts on the State of Texas website...which is all the pro 2A outlets needed to do. (And for the record I'm completely against what she is trying to do.)

Those reporting on 2A issues have an obligation to do even a modicum of due diligence (which I'll fall on my sword and admit I did not do with my broccoli post early on), but I'm not reporting, I'm just a dude on the internet. These sites cannot bash the MSM when they are using the techniques of MSNBC.

 

[Koda]

After several pages using two different search engines, the ONLY websites where I could find the quote were on pro 2A sites, not a single MSM outlet. That seems strange to me.

That's because she never said it. Ive been biting my tongue on this thread because I know we all love some pro-gun websites but what I find is most of them are nothing but fake news and propaganda and its even more concerning that many people dont fact check them.

 

[revjen45]

1) " Utter stupidity. "
No, not stupidity - utter malice. This fits in perfectly with the DAs and AGs who have said they won't prosecute so-called "crimes of necessity", i.e. various forms of theft by derelicts and guttersnipes. If you wanted to destroy the middle (i.e. "productive" class) this is an important part of the agenda.

2) " Technically not a guy - but probably close..... "
Remember that binary cis-genderism makes you a bad person...
That said, the aforementioned aesthetically challenged lump of protoplasm couldn't get a date in the exercise yard at Folsom.

3) In looking more closely at this I haven't been able determine whether the quote is satire or not.
Apparently it is, but I'm not deleting #s 1 & 2 just for the snark value.

4) We lived in TX for 3 years, and loved it. This has no chance of going anywhere in the Real World. Sympathy for Orcs is in short supply there.

 

[CountryGent]

After several pages using two different search engines, the ONLY websites where I could find the quote were on pro 2A sites, not a single MSM outlet. That seems strange to me.

You're not alone; that is preciously what I found as well whilst searching and why asked for the source. I could only find the more egregious "quotes" on various pro-2A forums and related. If legit, one would think at least one media source somewhere would have covered it and/or it would appear on the legislator's social media accounts.

Conversely, if it was satire, I would have expected the text to show up on such a site (e.g., The Onion, Babylon Bee, etc.). It doesn't on those either.

But maybe something has changed since Wednesday.

That's because she never said it. Ive been biting my tongue on this thread because I know we all love some pro-gun websites but what I find is most of them are nothing but fake news and propaganda and its even more concerning that many people dont fact check them.

Sadly, I have to agree.

 

[po18guy]

In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.

Now listen to what she has to say...
"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. They just want to get their loot and get away. When the resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed fewer people will be killed."
Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent homeowners from defending themselves.
Under the new law the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible he must cooperate with the intruder. But if violence breaks out it is the homeowner's responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."

"In most instances the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better."

Elected via Dominion voting machines...

 

[Koda]

If legit, one would think at least one media source somewhere would have covered it and/or it would appear on the legislator's social media accounts.

Agree, though my best guess to its origins is it might be buried on youtub of some community meeting of a different past legislative topic but still doesnt make sense applied to the context of the current bill. The idea that "pro-gun" websites are pushing propaganda is hurting support for the 2A badly.

 

[nammac]

It's that Russian interference...

 

[Jabba]

Republicans should respond with a bill banning calling 911 on an intruder. After all, a police response might result in harm coming to the intruder, you know how trigger-happy cops are. Make the homeowner responsible for any harm done to the intruder if they call 911. I bet some Dems would actually support that too.

 

[partsed]

Wow, I thought an IQ of 20 was the minimum to register on the IQ chart? But apparently vegetables can successfully run for state congress.

Sheila Jackson Lee comes to mind..... But she is in Congress....

 

[partsed]

I wonder what the other 89 or so are named?

Angel Food, pound, chocolate, spice, etc....