If you carry do NOT be this idiot

[Koda]

Going off of pure memory here, but you can be charged for assault with a deadly weapon even if you never fire the gun right? I remember that being a thing but don't have the time to go refresh my memory right now.

Correct, a felony.

Iirc, assault in itself does not mean physically.

 

[coltemp]

Correct, a felony.

Iirc, assault in itself does not mean physically.

I most states it is called Brandishing. Which is considered assault as was already pointed out.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Are you talking about the guy who was some kind of food delivery driver and that moron was holding a phone up to him? I thought they did convict the guy of something from that. Not the shoot but some other crime?? Been too long since it happened. I'm sure someone here will remember if it is that one you are talking about?

I think so.

 

[Alexx1401]

I think so.

IIRC they did get him on some charge with that shoot. The moron who got shot certainly got no sympathy from me. A lot of those clowns are just begging to end up being shot playing stupid games like that.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Pranksters brought the fight to him, and he made every effort to deescalate and flee.
Huge difference.

He must have believed himself in imminent danger by an unarmed person.

 

[RVTECH]

The moron who got shot certainly got no sympathy from me.

I believe we are talking about the You Tube prankster who got shot.

View: https://youtu.be/gUccLZPRGjk

 

[Yarome]

The only difference is in the charges brought against you.

Not entirely the "only" difference. Threatening and using "are" different... and exactly why there is a difference in the charges brought against you.

I do bet he will be charged with assault on the first teen, just for good measure and to add to the charge list for leverage in the plea deal, but... it's not really a valid charge. Then again, it doesn't have to be for a person to be charged. Just like it wouldn't be valid to charge a LEO for detaining, disarming and putting someone down on the ground that he had reasonable cause to believe was carrying a firearm illegally.

What seems to be getting lost is that he wasn't approached for threatening anyone with a firearm or intent to commit a robbery. The presumed crime he was approached for was being in illegal possession and brandishing a firearm. There was no requirement that he actually point his "gun" and present an imminent threat to the man, or anyone else, before the man would have been justified to intervene.

Just like a LEO doesn't have to wait until you point your gun at him before he can detain and disarm you.

Citizens are not LE, but citizens are also granted legal authority to act in a similar way under certain circumstances. The main difference is the burden of proof required. An officer only has to have reasonable suspicion while a citizen has to actually witness the presumed crime. I think some people just seem to get it stuck in their head that a citizen never has any authority to act unless they are directly threatened.

I'm quite sure that exactly what gooberment wants citizens to believe. As a citizen, you are powerless.


Just to be clear, I am not condoning much of anything about the way it all went down, but that doesn't mean that being a tard nullifies the law. It just sounds a whole lot more like "feelings" running rampant then objectively examining the mechanics and legalities in play.

 

[Yarome]

Going off of pure memory here, but you can be charged for assault with a deadly weapon even if you never fire the gun right? I remember that being a thing but don't have the time to go refresh my memory right now.

Absolutely. That is when the person holding the firearm is the aggressor and without cause.

In this case, I don't see an assault with a deadly weapon on the first teen, but it certainly could apply if he pointed his firearm toward either of the other two. Just pointing his gun in a menacing or threatening manner would be a second degree assault with a deadly weapon charge.

 

[Flopsweat]

I believe we are talking about the You Tube prankster who got shot.

View: https://youtu.be/gUccLZPRGjk

I probably would have gotten physical with this idiot, but I wouldn't have shot him for sticking a phone in my face. I have no sympathy for him. He just learned a valuable lesson.

 

[Yarome]

I probably would have gotten physical with this idiot, but I wouldn't have shot him for sticking a phone in my face. I have no sympathy for him. He just learned a valuable lesson.

Unfortunately, people pulling stupid chit like that in the first place generally aren't the types to ever learn their lesson. I remember him saying something like it was the best thing to happen to him since it massively drove up his subscribers and he had no intention of stopping. He got shot, he healed and now he's making bank because of it.

What a world!

 

[RVTECH]

He just learned a valuable lesson.

Unfortunately it didn't last long enough.

 

[Flopsweat]

Unfortunately it didn't last long enough.

I'm sure it'll be coming around again soon.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I probably would have gotten physical with this idiot, but I wouldn't have shot him for sticking a phone in my face. I have no sympathy for him. He just learned a valuable lesson.

Nope, he did not. Jump to about 1:45

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBqKTLZN3E

 

[RVTECH]

Jump to about 1:45

1:57 shows it best.

Spoiled, self righteous little prik needs to be slapped so many times he would think he is surrounded...

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

1:57 shows it best.

Spoiled, self righteous little prik needs to be slapped so many times he would think he is surrounded...

Agreed, that is the money shot. I just suggested an earlier time to help build the . . .

 

[RVTECH]

The YT prankster fool has a serious 'bully complex'. It's obvious in the vid when the food driver is fighting back and the YT idiot is obviously getting angry over something HE started. You can see it in his eyes and facial expression.

I have a 'friend' who has a bully complex and has alienated a LOT of people in his life. I like the guy but glad I don't see him much.

He does stupid stuff to people to irritate them, then when they get mad he cant just stop but 'shifts gears' and takes it personally and gets angry. It's gotten him into a lot of trouble over the years. Nothing particularly serious but if I were to ever hear this person got arrested, his azz kicked - or worse - over something I wouldn't be too surprised...

He has been lucky actually. He CCs - and drinks a lot.....

 

[Alexx1401]

Unfortunately it didn't last long enough.

It at least at first looked like he learned nothing. The news was there when he got released and he was playing for the camera looking like he thought he was funny. Now since I don't follow idiots like this I don't know if he went back to doing the stupid crap.

 

[dugtipi]

Sadly this will be used to death by those who don't want us to have guns. Unless a LOT more comes out sure looks like this moron is going to be a very old man when he gets out of prison over stupidity.

Teen fatally shot by off-duty guard in Renton identified

The homicide occurred Wednesday evening outside the Big 5 Sporting Goods store on Grady Way in Renton.

komonews.com

Idiot.

 

[greenie]

Sadly this will be used to death by those who don't want us to have guns. Unless a LOT more comes out sure looks like this moron is going to be a very old man when he gets out of prison over stupidity.

Teen fatally shot by off-duty guard in Renton identified

The homicide occurred Wednesday evening outside the Big 5 Sporting Goods store on Grady Way in Renton.

komonews.com

Oh wow.

 

[Darkmatter73]

Terrible situation, I remember this. I actually don't work far from there.