If you carry do NOT be this idiot

[RVTECH]

From another article. Some new information.

Police said the man told them he got out of his car and pointed his gun at the group, telling them to drop the gun and put their hands up, according to the documents. The teen who was holding the gun threw it to the side, the man told police.

According to surveillance footage, the man then pushed the teen to the ground and straddled him, pinning him down.

Police said the man told them that's when he saw one of the other teenagers reach into his waistband. The man said he saw the victim grab the handle of a gun and believed he was going to pull it out and kill him.

The man then shot Rohani "numerous times," court documents said. King County sheriff's deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. Rohani died at the scene.

Statements from the surviving teenagers and surveillance camera footage contradict the man's statement to police, according to court documents. One of the boys told police Rohani never removed the airsoft gun from his waistband.

Surveillance footage shows Rohani backing away from the man with his hands extended showing nothing in them. Rohani shows his left hand raised above his head and his right arm briefly lowering to his waist area.

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And - we have a name of the 'suspect' - 51 year old Aaron Brown Myers, of Newcastle.

Anybody know him?

 

[Alexx1401]

I dont agree this happens often or people want to play hero. I do agree when it does the media and anti gun exploit it. Over the years Ive read very few occurrences where a good intentioned gun owner screws up. It IS an important lesson to discuss and make known to other gun owners.

No doubt. The actual cases where some legal gun owner does something over the top stupid is NOTHING compared to the shootings scum pull. The media just picks and chooses which stories to promote. Too many rubes see them and believe the crap. Look at Chi Town. The equivalent of a "mass shooting" almost daily and look who has been in charge for decades. No wonder they pretend it does not happen as the people there keep voting for more of it.

 

[Alexx1401]

From another article. Some new information.



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And - we have a name of the 'suspect' - 51 year old Aaron Brown Myers, of Newscastle.

Anybody know him?

Suspect his "friends, family, co workers, and such are all trying to distance themselves from him. Kind of shocked they have not yet posted the Co he used to work for. You know they had a memo come out to the rest of the staff about don't be this idiot.

 

[Heyjoe]

Sounds like dad should have been training jiu jitsu next door with his boy.

Deadly force should be the last option in a long list of responses, de-escalation , avoidance and escape should always be a defenders first response.

Unfortunately this guy thought he was Rambo giddy to save the day.

 

[OldBroad44]

I think it goes without saying that when intervening it's highly critical to make good calls and use a level of force appropriate to the situation. Like in the example, that would certainly not be a situation where you start throwing lead right from the get-go... or possibly even drawing your firearm. The question, "would you intervene", is kind of bogus unless you're specifically asking the question, "would you immediately shoot?". Intervening doesn't default to the use of deadly force as the only option, nor should any level of intervention be taken simply because you "do" have a firearm. I agree on that.

A situation has to be judged on it's merits, but there are also times when it's abundantly clear who the aggressor is, who is presenting an imminent threat to others and may warrant immediate deadly force. It's not one of those "always or never" type things, IMO.

Not all situations merit outside interference. IE., If I see two groups of individuals, approximately of the same age, wearing opposing colors, and/or being of similar demeanor and equally aggressive toward the other... and one of them pulls a gun on the other... I don't mean to seem callous but I really don't care who the main aggressor is or who might end up shot. I wouldn't attempt to intervene.

I believe in the, "if you play, you pay" principle. I would view both sides to be in that situation by choice so, "not my problem". Secure yourself from the area and call LE

I agree. However, I think in terms of intervention or not because once you intervene things can escalate in a direction where you end up having to use your gun. If you go away that doesn't happen. I also think there is hardly any situation where it is obvious what is going on and who the aggressor is if you don't know the people and didn't see the beginning of the episode. For example, in the episode I described in post 69 where I came upon a guy slapping the he'll out of a woman's face with one hand, hanging on to her arm with his other hand, her just struggling to get away -- The woman looked like the victim. And she was also smaller as well as females have on average 40% less upper body strength, even if they were the same size. So she probably had only about 40% his upper body strength. But what if the episode started with the woman slapping the he'll out of the guy's face? Some women do that. In that case I would say the guy was justified. I'm not any more in favor of women slapping men than the reverse. And I don't think a man who has been slapped should just take it. I think he should slap the woman enough or hard enough so that she fully understands that unnecessarily initiating physical combat with a grown man is not a smart move. And he should tell her if she ever does that again the relationship is over. And dump her if she can't learn in one lesson. Women allowed to slap men with impunity can escalate to trying to bash them in the head with a cast iron frying pan. Which can be lethal.

I don't think anybody owes it to strangers to risk their own life to save the stranger. Its a matter of choice. And everyone needs to consider their own capabilities and situation. Once in discussing the Sully landing of the plane on the Hudson, my brother asked me whether I'd jump into frigid water like that to save a baby. Sure, I responded immediately. But then I explained that I would consider that scenario low risk for me. I once swam four miles across a lake in the Adirondacks in early spring, when the Ice was barely off it. So I already know what water like that is like. And that I produce so much heat when swimming hard that I'm okay, but if I tried to just float I would be incapacitated from cold within just a few minutes. But then I pointed out that my willingness to rescue a baby from frigid water did not mean I was particularly brave. Just that I thought that was much lower risk for me than for most people. If the task was rescuing a baby from a burning building, I'd say no. I'm more subject to heat prostration than most people. My lungs are highly sensitive to smoke and chemicals compared with most people. Id probably have an asthma attack. My directional sense isn't great. I'd probably be more likely than most people to get turned around in a smoky
burning building. Best I stay out of that scenario so that I don't complicate things by adding myself to the list of those needing to be rescued.

I also don't consider the life of a random baby more valuable than mine, even though I'm 77. Not to me. And for all I know, the baby may grow up to be an ax murderer, which I'm not. At least not so far.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I want to see that security footage.

I worked armed security with two companies back in the mid-2000s, and neither one issued pistols. You had to have your own. I had my third-gen Glock 22, which I traded recently for a Glock 45.

That was back when I was in my 20s. Now at 41 I have a lot more wisdom and foresight. I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision when I was 24.

 

[Koda]

From another article. Some new information.

Police said the man told them he got out of his car and pointed his gun at the group, telling them to drop the gun and put their hands up, according to the documents. The teen who was holding the gun threw it to the side, the man told police.

According to surveillance footage, the man then pushed the teen to the ground and straddled him, pinning him down.

Police said the man told them that's when he saw one of the other teenagers reach into his waistband. The man said he saw the victim grab the handle of a gun and believed he was going to pull it out and kill him.

The man then shot Rohani "numerous times," court documents said. King County sheriff's deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. Rohani died at the scene.

Statements from the surviving teenagers and surveillance camera footage contradict the man's statement to police, according to court documents. One of the boys told police Rohani never removed the airsoft gun from his waistband.

Surveillance footage shows Rohani backing away from the man with his hands extended showing nothing in them. Rohani shows his left hand raised above his head and his right arm briefly lowering to his waist area.

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And - we have a name of the 'suspect' - 51 year old Aaron Brown Myers, of Newcastle.

Anybody know him?

Then how did the mall cop know the kid had a gun in his waistband if he never went for it?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Then how did the mall cop know the kid had a gun in his waistband if he never went for it?

It was in front, or on the side, or in the back but the kid turned, or the kid didn't have a jacket on so anything in his waistband was easy to see?

 

[Koda]

It was in front, or on the side, or in the back but the kid turned, or the kid didn't have a jacket on so anything in his waistband was easy to see?

We dont have that information, hardly anything coming in on the story... except: we now know the mall cop was not wrong when he claimed the kid he shot had a gun.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

We dont have that information, hardly anything coming in on the story... except: we now know the mall cop was not wrong when he claimed the kid he shot had a gun.

Was it a gun, or was it a gun shaped object? Seems to me we can't get all pedantic over things like braces not being stocks or any of the bump stocks / binary triggers not being a full auto firearm and turn around and say that a gun shaped object is a gun

Unless it was an actual firearm and I just missed that

 

[Koda]

Was it a gun, or was it a gun shaped object? Seems to me we can't get all pedantic over things like braces not being stocks or any of the bump stocks / binary triggers not being a full auto firearm and turn around and say that a gun shaped object is a gun

Unless it was an actual firearm and I just missed that

It was a gun. An airsoft gun to be exact.

 

[lucusloc]

Was it a gun, or was it a gun shaped object? Seems to me we can't get all pedantic over things like braces not being stocks or any of the bump stocks / binary triggers not being a full auto firearm and turn around and say that a gun shaped object is a gun

Unless it was an actual firearm and I just missed that

It was a realistic airsoft gun. So yes, it could be reasonable to presume the kid had a gun. That does not mean it makes it a justified shoot though. Yes, it might be, but so far my guess is still that it was not. It would take a pretty significant reversal of the details given to change my mind on that.

 

[Koda]

That does not mean it makes it a justified shoot though. Yes, it might be, but so far my guess is still that it was not. It would take a pretty significant reversal of the details given to change my mind on that.

Is it reasonable to assume a "realistic" gun is a real gun?

This is what the trial will come down to.

 

[MotoManGunner]

I think this is just another example of why stepping in to defend other people is a bad idea. They taught that in my CHL class and I still believe it. I am using my 2A rights to defend myself, and other people also have the ability to use that right. They should do that. I think this guy should of taken his fear of that possibly being a real gun walking away from him, and taken that fear over to his kid and GTFO or shelter where his kid was at and called 911. These kids didn't walk up to him and confront him, he put himself in the confrontation.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Is it reasonable to assume a "realistic" gun is a real gun?

This is what the trial will come down to.

That, and if Paul Blart was justified in starting the conflict. IIRC you can't claim self defence if you are the one that started the fight

 

[Koda]

That, and if Paul Blart was justified in starting the conflict. IIRC you can't claim self defence if you are the one that started the fight

True, but you can if its "reasonable" to believe someone walking into a store with a [real] gun in hand is going to rob the place.

 

[Member 45541]

IMHO we can speculate from dawn to dusk but, the fact of the matter is that he should have dialed 911 and reported. Cops right there already even though he didn't know, could have saved a life and him landing in the Hoosegow possibly for the rest of his life! Jacked up situation all around!

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

True, but you can if its "reasonable" to believe someone walking into a store with a [real] gun in hand is going to rob the place.

Maybe? Not up on WA law regarding that, or OR law either, truth be told. I do recall that 25 or 30 years ago in AZ there was a semi similar situation and at that time AZ law did not allow for lethal force for property crime or suspected armed robbery. You had to wait until an actual crime was in progress or there was as overt act (like staging up outside a bank with guns and masks). Anyone know what the actual WA law is?

 

[Koda]

Maybe? Not up on WA law regarding that, or OR law either, truth be told. I do recall that 25 or 30 years ago in AZ there was a semi similar situation and at that time AZ law did not allow for lethal force for property crime or suspected armed robbery. You had to wait until an actual crime was in progress or there was as overt act (like staging up outside a bank with guns and masks). Anyone know what the actual WA law is?

This isnt about preventing a suspected crime, it turned into a self defense case when the second gun was discovered. This case will come down to if its reasonable to believe someone with a gun in hand is a credible lethal threat. There was an altercation over a gun, and another gun was presented after the first one was secured.

 

[Alexx1401]

True, but you can if its "reasonable" to believe someone walking into a store with a [real] gun in hand is going to rob the place.

By all means anyone who wants to follow this fool to prison? Have at it. As I have long said this fantasy that many have they are going to be hero will never happen for them. What can and does happen is at best they get a shoot out started and someone other than the dobads get hit. Either by the hero's bullets or dobads bullets, or both. This guy is going to prison, anyone who wants to believe when they do this it will work out different? Hope you like living on the states dime for a good while because you are going to get to see how fun it is.
Now for those with this fantasy if they move to a place where this is far more likely to not get them in a jam? Then they may get to live it out but, living in a heavy blue area? Just not going to go the way they dream about and they will be used by people who want none of us to have guns as a poster child.