If you carry do NOT be this idiot

[Alexx1401]

Sadly this will be used to death by those who don't want us to have guns. Unless a LOT more comes out sure looks like this moron is going to be a very old man when he gets out of prison over stupidity.

Teen fatally shot by off-duty guard in Renton identified

The homicide occurred Wednesday evening outside the Big 5 Sporting Goods store on Grady Way in Renton.

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[Nosferatu]

Yeah, this mental midget needs to be locked up for good.

After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire

 

[2Wheels4Ever]

I almost got shot for something similar as a kid. I had just bought a bb gun and was looking at it on the way home in the passenger's seat. Someone called the cops saying I was holding a women (my mother) hostage. We were surrounded by cops in a high risk stop. Thankfully, none of them had an itchy trigger finger that day.

 

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[RVTECH]

Police said the 51-year-old told them he felt that he didn't have enough time to call 911

But he sure had enough time to do everything he did though...

Bottom line - he was not being threatened. From the article It appears the teens were complying but the 'suspect' wasn't 'hearing' any of it. He acted not only illegally but highly irrationally. It's as though he was acting out a fantasy, like something he had seen on TV many times - and probably always hoped he would have an opportunity to pull - and maybe use his gun.

 

[pacNWvike]

I know cops have made this mistake as well, but this guy seems like he was itching to act like he was a movie hero. Not sure why he was not inside the building watching his son at his class. Guess pretending to be overwatch was more important to him.

Seeing people going into and out of sporting good stores with BB guns is not unusual, nor generally do I find it suspicious. But this is why anytime I am taking a firearm in, BB or not, it's in a case.

 

[DB is Here]

Yikes. he had no business being anywhere near a gun or people.

 

[Alexx1401]

I know cops have made this mistake as well, but this guy seems like he was itching to act like he was a movie hero. Not sure why he was not inside the building watching his son at his class. Guess pretending to be overwatch was more important to him.

Seeing people going into and out of sporting good stores with BB guns is not unusual, nor generally do I find it suspicious. But this is why anytime I am taking a firearm in, BB or not, it's in a case.

This brings up another good point about this. From the story the one kid had one of those air soft that look like a Glock. Many of them look so much like a real gun no one can tell at first glance. This is why kids playing with these things need to learn to be VERY damn careful. These kind of toys have gotten a few people shot. This is of course NOT an excuse for this moron but, him going to jail is not going to bring the kid back.

 

[RVTECH]

Seeing people going into and out of sporting good stores with BB guns is not unusual, nor generally do I find it suspicious.

And in my case I see people going in and out of stores OCing with REAL guns nearly daily - and likewise it doesn't even raise eyebrows - well, with some i'm sure it does but they are the exceptions.

 

[bradsteen]

This thread should be retitled "LARPing gone wrong". Morons like this give law-abiding gun owners a bad name.

 

[Lazyfaire]

There is no way I would buy any current model of an airsoft gun. They look exactly like a comparable real model. This instance is exactly why I would never buy my child or grandchild one of these. Even though this shooter was a moron the ending could be the same. The kids knew that it was not a real pistol, but they look so much alike that this guy could not. Sad situation

 

[MotoManGunner]

After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire, according to court documents.

Yikes.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Holy hell. Rent a cop types on a power trip to "provide overwatch". That's the last thing we need.

 

[salmon creek gary]

Police said the 51-year-old told them he felt that he didn't have enough time to call 911

But he sure had enough time to do everything he did though...

Bottom line - he was not being threatened. From the article It appears the teens were complying but the 'suspect' wasn't 'hearing' any of it. He acted not only illegally but highly irrationally. It's as though he was acting out a fantasy, like something he had seen on TV many times - and probably always hoped he would have an opportunity to pull - and maybe use his gun.

Lots to agree with there in your comment, but I'd have to draw the line at conjecture and mind reading.

Let me ask, have you ever mentally rehearsed what your actions would be if this or that situation ever plays out in front of you? No? Then please consider that some folks would declare you behind the power curve and ill-prepared to deal with any situation that might require you to un-holster.

Yes, you've done some rehearsing? Good. Now ask yourself whether some judgemental person - not a mind reader - might declare such a rehearsal to be a fantasy that you probably always hope for an opportunity to fulfill.

 

[Yarome]

I don't fault the man for intervening. A lot of the current craziness happens because good people stand by and do nothing. Yeah, yeah... I get the whole fear of consequences thing is real, but stop and think about it. If everyone is going to stand by and allow bad things to happen.. how is that any different then politicians giving criminals the green light to criminal(?) The effect is the same.

That said, the execution of it is the issue. Especially standing over a person already disabled and continuing to fire. Not a good look!

As seen in the comments so far, people are quick to judge and condemn, but I would bet the same folks would be praising the guy's actions if it had turned out the 3 teens did in fact have a history of armed robbery/assault with deadly weapons, were in fact carrying glocks in their waistbands... with giggle switches... the teen was in fact reaching with intent... and they were in fact present for the very purpose the man had assumed.

Be real!

I'm in no way condoning the guys final actions. He was way out of line when the teens appeared to be complying and he was at no time under imminent threat.

The opening carrying thing? There is a big difference between an obvious adult walking around with a duly holstered firearm and a teen (obviously prohibited from possessing a handgun) walking around with an apparent firearm in his hand... or... tucked in a waistband. Duly giving the appearance of a wanna-be thug.

If they are telling the truth then the teens intentions certainly "appear" innocent, but if so, they really should have known that walking around with an apparent firearm in their hand in the open in public, and carrying your air softs in your waistbands was a bad idea.

In this day and age, I also don't know if you can take their statements at face value. Maybe they "were" trying to return or have their airsoft guns serviced, but then again... the way they were carrying... it's also just as likely they were lying about that and had every intention of holding the place up with toy guns. If that was true, does anyone honestly expect teens are going to tell the truth?? "All we were gonna do is rob the place and this crazy man started shooting. The guns aren't real so there's no reason anyone should be shooting at us!" That thought process tracks.

It's not like that doesn't happen on a pretty regular basis... right(?)

Very regretful outcome, but I would be slower to condemn so strongly.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

There is no way I would buy any current model of an airsoft gun. They look exactly like a comparable real model. This instance is exactly why I would never buy my child or grandchild one of these. Even though this shooter was a moron the ending could be the same. The kids knew that it was not a real pistol, but they look so much alike that this guy could not. Sad situation

It's not a problem buying them or owning them imo. But treat it just like any other firearm imo. For me all guns are concealed in a bag or case, even going from house to vehicle or from ffl to car. Out of sight = out of mind = no extra trouble for you. But that's mainly cuz I live in an area where snowflakes will freak if they see a gun. Also don't want to create any confusion for officers who may arrive with totally wrong info or are scared of acorns.

 

[Dozer99]

Is he (bad guy with a gun or otherwise) directly hurting one of my family members or is about too? If the answer is no, than I walk away.

Nowadays is not the time to play hero.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

"Investigators said security footage contradicted the suspect's statements in his police interview, according to court papers."

 

[Certaindeaf]

Didn't click but it has always been my impression that the less skill/training/experience one has, the less one is able to process information under stress. It should be on autopilot with a predetermined point/action where/when one fires.. with each situation being unique. The "off-duty security guard" part is a red herring but I suspect this guy had zero or close to it experience with guns, leading him to freak out and panic at this acorn of a situation. This is not to say that all carriers should have X training under their belt as every day we hear of professional law enforcement personel doing much the same.. it is more an encouragement for us all to think critically and having already decided when to act would a given other act prompt it.
Good luck to us all.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I would have followed at a distance and observed, while being on the phone with police. Then IF they did indeed pull out their guns and start a robbery, I MIGHT intervene, if the circumstances favored an intervention.

But to sit here and act like youths carrying guns just walking into a store nowadays doesn't usually result in chaos is just sheer ignorance. Sadly, it happens all the time in major cities. "I see people open carrying all the time in so-and-so" is irrelevant when they aren't allowed to do it at their age.