I watched a robbery and did nothing

[Member 24198]

View: https://youtu.be/2xvvvJ7hvo8?feature=shared

 

[rjn]

You did the right thing.

"Desk pop" comment made me chuckle…

 

[OneArgus]

I could care less if stores get robbed. If someone life is in danger OK, that different.
I watched a rather large robbery happen at Walmart Douglas County.

I have to get a battery for my truck and a cheap one would do.
It was like 8am. I noticed this guy with a shopping cart piled over the top of the basket.
He had everything you could think of some real pricey stuff. Not for me to Judge.
But guy look like he woke up under a bridge. The autoparts in in the corner back end and I see him circling the isle.
I realize we were the only ones back there. And isle over was a door, and I was maybe 10 feet from it. Heard this bank and the door flies open guy pushes the cart out the door alarms going off. As I spin around to look at the door,
This truck screams up stopped guy jumps out the take the entire art and dump in the back, then through the cart on the ground and sped off.
Well I knew what the guy look like. So I hung out waiting for security..................................
As 5 minutes pass and the alarm is still going off I walk over to the electronics where there is a lady working.
Brain dead to the alarm going off I explain to her the issue. She says i'll let them know. I am like. What?
You cant hear that alarm. Oh well so I finish my shopping and trying to do the right thing I go up to a manger near CS,
By the way I have been shopping at least 15mins I am not at the complete opposite of the automotive.
I can hear the Alarm still, and the manager I told was oblivious. That then and there was about 5 years ago, and decided if they don't care I am not putting myself out there. So unless your life is in danger. Your own stores.

 

[Tazman308]

I don't fight for stuff and if danger is outside, I call the Police and it's their problem. It takes them 20-25 minutes to arrive cause I'm in the outskirts. If the problem is inside, I will deal with it appropriately but chances are someone is going to hear gunfire. This policy has kept me from killing some young punks last year when they tried to kick in my front door. I waited for the lock to give but it didn't cause its a good one. If the door would have given, 5 rounds of buck would fly along with a variety of 9mm and 10mm. But the lock held, no one died, and I didn't have to spend a couple million dollars defending myself in court legally and civilly.

Stuff ain't worth fighting/dieing/killing over. Threaten the life of someone and it's a different story. Be careful of the battles you fight.

 

[WillametteWill]

I don't fight for stuff and if danger is outside, I call the Police and it's their problem. It takes them 20-25 minutes to arrive cause I'm in the outskirts. If the problem is inside, I will deal with it appropriately but chances are someone is going to hear gunfire. This policy has kept me from killing some young punks last year when they tried to kick in my front door. I waited for the lock to give but it didn't cause its a good one. If the door would have given, 5 rounds of buck would fly along with a variety of 9mm and 10mm. But the lock held, no one died, and I didn't have to spend a couple million dollars defending myself in court legally and civilly.

Stuff ain't worth fighting/dieing/killing over. Threaten the life of someone and it's a different story. Be careful of the battles you fight.

If a group of yutes are trying to kick doors in Star, they are not very bright. There is about a 50/50 chance there will be a retired officer from SoCal standing at the ready, like you were, trying to decide which of the guns, (which they loaded up on after moving there and their new found freedom to purchase anything), to use. Or a native of your great states. The odds will not be in their favor.

Glad it worked out well for you.

 

[wired]

I don't fight for stuff and if danger is outside, I call the Police and it's their problem. It takes them 20-25 minutes to arrive cause I'm in the outskirts. If the problem is inside, I will deal with it appropriately but chances are someone is going to hear gunfire. This policy has kept me from killing some young punks last year when they tried to kick in my front door. I waited for the lock to give but it didn't cause its a good one. If the door would have given, 5 rounds of buck would fly along with a variety of 9mm and 10mm. But the lock held, no one died, and I didn't have to spend a couple million dollars defending myself in court legally and civilly.

Stuff ain't worth fighting/dieing/killing over. Threaten the life of someone and it's a different story. Be careful of the battles you fight.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door

 

[Old Dog]

Stuff ain't worth fighting/dieing/killing over.

So the OP concerned retail theft in the form of shoplifting. What you, and many are totally ignoring is that there still may be actions, however minor, one can take, NOT involving fighting, dying or killing, to possibly divert or stop the perpetrator, or at least ensure he/she can be identified and hopefully held accountable.

I understand this is a firearms-centric forum, but honestly, looking at every situation in terms of whether or not to employ a firearm or physical force is really limiting your thinking.

As the philosopher John Stuart Mill said, "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."

And many citizens these days whine so heartily about the decay in the moral fabric of our society and why criminals are not held accountable for their crimes. We are in the era of total permissiveness -- and the level of passivity among the citizenry, who will tolerate almost anything, is appalling.

Don't frame this in terms of helping out or assisting retail stores or businesses, presumably far richer than we all are, who can write off their losses anyway. Besides, the cost of retail theft is passed on to us as consumers, which I guess a lot of you are okay with.

Rather, look at the big picture and understand that we have become a nation of onlookers and bystanders, unwilling or unable to do anything about the most petty crimes, which leads us to the present state wherein all those who are inclined to do bad things know they can get away with almost any crimes, with impunity.

 

[PiratePast40]

So the OP concerned retail theft in the form of shoplifting. What you, and many are totally ignoring is that there still may be actions, however minor, one can take, NOT involving fighting, dying or killing, to possibly divert or stop the perpetrator, or at least ensure he/she can be identified and hopefully held accountable.

I understand this is a firearms-centric forum, but honestly, looking at every situation in terms of whether or not to employ a firearm or physical force is really limiting your thinking.

As the philosopher John Stuart Mill said, "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."

And many citizens these days whine so heartily about the decay in the moral fabric of our society and why criminals are not held accountable for their crimes. We are in the era of total permissiveness -- and the level of passivity among the citizenry, who will tolerate almost anything, is appalling.

Don't frame this in terms of helping out or assisting retail stores or businesses, presumably far richer than we all are, who can write off their losses anyway. Besides, the cost of retail theft is passed on to us as consumers, which I guess a lot of you are okay with.

Rather, look at the big picture and understand that we have become a nation of onlookers and bystanders, unwilling or unable to do anything about the most petty crimes, which leads us to the present state wherein all those who are inclined to do bad things know they can get away with almost any crimes, with impunity.

If our society is today, as it once was, things would be much different. People aren't necessarily saying that it's none of their business, but they are saying that confronting a criminal, on commercial property, when the owners themselves are observing and taking their own actions, is not necessary or wanted by the business. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't say something to a cashier or manager, just that confrontation in this particular instance, is a very bad move.

If this was a smaller store and you knew the person doing the shoplifting, then it might be a case where you confront them. However, if it's a bogega in the South Bronx, you're likely to get your head bashed in for sticking your nose into someone's business. IMO, we need to be aware of where we are when we decide to take action, and we also need to careful weigh whatever action we decide to take or not take. There are consequences for ALL actions as well as inaction.

In any case:

 

[Mikej]

So the OP concerned retail theft in the form of shoplifting. What you, and many are totally ignoring is that there still may be actions, however minor, one can take, NOT involving fighting, dying or killing, to possibly divert or stop the perpetrator, or at least ensure he/she can be identified and hopefully held accountable.

I understand this is a firearms-centric forum, but honestly, looking at every situation in terms of whether or not to employ a firearm or physical force is really limiting your thinking.

As the philosopher John Stuart Mill said, "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."

And many citizens these days whine so heartily about the decay in the moral fabric of our society and why criminals are not held accountable for their crimes. We are in the era of total permissiveness -- and the level of passivity among the citizenry, who will tolerate almost anything, is appalling.

Don't frame this in terms of helping out or assisting retail stores or businesses, presumably far richer than we all are, who can write off their losses anyway. Besides, the cost of retail theft is passed on to us as consumers, which I guess a lot of you are okay with.

Rather, look at the big picture and understand that we have become a nation of onlookers and bystanders, unwilling or unable to do anything about the most petty crimes, which leads us to the present state wherein all those who are inclined to do bad things know they can get away with almost any crimes, with impunity.

Is there some point to all this?

Only response seems to be. Yeah. But it's a lot of pretty cool words put together. So that's something!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

View: https://youtu.be/jmVyUdHtxbU?si=hzNwq_Slvjslw--_

 

[titsonritz]

I'd have shot him in the butt.

Just kidding, not really, you did the wise and right thing for a lot of different reasons. Carrying a gun is not a license to police. Now if the scumbag is ripping off your place of business then shoot him in the butt.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Having watched Animal House many a time, I'll be capping yonder gumball machine toot sweet if any ol hombre gets uppity in the least.

 

[CabbageMan]

….I instinctively grip my Luger and get ready to confront her when I had a vision of the future. …

This wasn't my battle, not worth the risks involved to "do the right thing". I'd have liked to have done something but I believe I made the right choice to not go after the walrus, it's not as if I packed my harpoon gun for such an occasion anyhow.

I agree with your assessment although I would like to point out the above probably not the best reaction as a bystander. Took a few classes with Cerberus Training Group, Steve said the thinking man wins.

 

[Alexx1401]

If our society is today, as it once was, things would be much different. People aren't necessarily saying that it's none of their business, but they are saying that confronting a criminal, on commercial property, when the owners themselves are observing and taking their own actions, is not necessary or wanted by the business. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't say something to a cashier or manager, just that confrontation in this particular instance, is a very bad move.

If this was a smaller store and you knew the person doing the shoplifting, then it might be a case where you confront them. However, if it's a bogega in the South Bronx, you're likely to get your head bashed in for sticking your nose into someone's business. IMO, we need to be aware of where we are when we decide to take action, and we also need to careful weigh whatever action we decide to take or not take. There are consequences for ALL actions as well as inaction.

In any case:

YEP! In places like where I live if the store is told, they will call 911, and no one will show up. If some LEO happens to be standing there at the door they will arrest the scum. The scum will walk before the LEO can even finish the paper work and it will never be taken to court. The problem is this is what people keep asking for, so what are the rest of us to do? Jump in? Sounds great until someone gets hurt. If someone gets hurt the same people who will not prosecute the stealing scum will prosecute the one who stepped in. So while it sounds good to say good men doing nothing and all, the good man will get in a jam and fix nothing. Until more good men are willing to vote well this will not change.
In the mean time what will change is more and more stores will simply shut the doors. The people who complain when the stores close are often the same people who can't be bothered to vote well. Places like Amazon have to be loving this.

 

[Art069]

Target supports, promotes and encourages that sort of behavior. Let it burn.

Very true!!!

 

[Art069]

If someone isn't in danger I'm not intervening. I'm not a cop, and I'm not putting my life and liberty on the line to protect product that I don't own or have any claim to. It's Target's product, and their decision to protect that product as they see fit within the bounds of the law.

Very well said

 

[oregonjohn1960]

The only times I go to Target in Bonney Lake are for when I need to pick up medication or to look at their cookware.

Thus I'm standing in the check out line with my bags of pills and a new non stick frying pan, idly trying to determine the gender and potential species of the blue haired whale like cashier. I've determined it is most likely a female, perhaps a species of white orca that had been conscripted to this life of cashiering.

To our left a lot of yelling is going on, an anorexic appearing teenager starts jumping around a second large creature (this one resembles a black walrus with low quality weave work.) The poor clerks arms are flailing about like Kermit the frog, saying she cant leave yet and has to pay. She pushes her cart past him and out the door. I instinctively grip my Luger and get ready to confront her when I had a vision of the future. I saw myself being handcuffed and sitting in the back of a squad car.

The poster child for anorexia didn't follow her outside, why should I risk my safety and freedom?

This wasn't my battle, not worth the risks involved to "do the right thing". I'd have liked to have done something but I believe I made the right choice to not go after the walrus, it's not as if I packed my harpoon gun for such an occasion anyhow.

Hard to decide what the right thing is in the moment sometimes.

 

[ktgee]

Most thieves are not afraid of the police and usually resist arrest. This means they are not scared of you and they will hurt you if you try to stop them. Mind your own business. It's not worth getting involved. With that said, even if you are pointing a gun at him to make a citizen arrest he might start resisting, and then what?

 

[Alexx1401]

Here is a PRIME example of why its wise to do nothing;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH1_P5mQo4U

This scum was caring a gun while stealing. If he was this stupid I have little doubt he would have been stupid enough to use that gun on someone who wanted to play good guy.

 

[Mikej]

Here is a PRIME example of why its wise to do nothing;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH1_P5mQo4U

This scum was caring a gun while stealing. If he was this stupid I have little doubt he would have been stupid enough to use that gun on someone who wanted to play good guy.

Washington? Oh LOOK! Just like other large crap-hole hole cities near the West Coast. The guy should have all ready been in JAIL! Son-Of-A-B----!