I support apple on this one

[Stomper]

There's nothing of any use on mine anyway....

 

[etrain16]

I am siding with Apple on this one. I have absolutely no love for the fact that there are methods by which bad people can communicate that can't be tracked by the government. As much as that sucks donkey doo, I am getting tired of the government reaching way to far into the lives of everyone. I fear that if a way to compromise the phone was devised/delivered, it would be used against regular citizens, illegally. One thing we know is that the government cannot be trusted to restrain itself - it proves over and over again that given and inch they will take a mile, more like hundreds of f'ing miles.

Find another damn way to track these folks and leave us what very little privacy we actually have.

And besides, if they want to see my glorious nude selfies, they're just going to have to pay for it like everyone else

 

[pietro beretta]

In truth though, he may be right about the backdoor, and Apple is just fabricating the foundation for plausible deniability.

I am smelling someones upper lip and it reeks. If cracking the phone is so important - and there is a back door already built it - then give the F'ing phone to the NSA and get the information needed.

I believe that:
A) There is no back door.
B) The information on the phone will not save lives.
C) This is another attempt at a power grab, it sets a precedence and a slippery slope.


I stand with Apple on this one.

 

[pietro beretta]

From their cold dead hands....
Will be drawn their finger biometrics before their phone locks...from this point forward.

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Too bad his iPhone 5C doesn't have touch ID, if it had touch ID this would be a moot point. They would have had his fingerprint to unlock the phone, the touch ID is probably the weakest link in iPhone security since you cant change your fingerprint and once someone has it - they have it forever. (They, as in the government/FBI)

Then again, if an iPhone restarts or is locked remotely, you have to enter your pass code before touch ID will be activated again.

 

[Mikej]

I am siding with Apple on this one. I have absolutely no love for the fact that there are methods by which bad people can communicate that can't be tracked by the government. As much as that sucks donkey doo, I am getting tired of the government reaching way to far into the lives of everyone. I fear that if a way to compromise the phone was devised/delivered, it would be used against regular citizens, illegally. One thing we know is that the government cannot be trusted to restrain itself - it proves over and over again that given and inch they will take a mile, more like hundreds of f'ing miles.

Find another damn way to track these folks and leave us what very little privacy we actually have.

And besides, if they want to see my glorious nude selfies, they're just going to have to pay for it like everyone else

Oof, I was was right along with you just fine, until the last sentence! Ooof.

 

[therealhitman]

"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

"Distrust and caution are the parents of security."'

"A great nation, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges."
― Benjamin Franklin

 

[etrain16]

Oof, I was was right along with you just fine, until the last sentence! Ooof.

Ouch, that hurts

 

[Larrytpdx]

Everything Apple does is for marketing. Tim Cook did not need to make his public statement, he did it to make himself and Apple a hero in some eyes. He could have simply said "no" and kept quiet but he wanted the publicity. Besides, why would anyone believe that Apple doesn't have this backdoor already given the amount of data they, along with Google, FaceBook and others collect.
Apple is a HUGE RIPOFF. Apple is a marketing machine that takes in 94% of all smartphone profits but only accounts for 15% of the smartphone market, which means you are getting overcharged big time just so you can say "I have an iPhone".
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-takes-home-94-percent-215934827.html

 

[therealhitman]

Oof, I was was right along with you just fine, until the last sentence! Ooof.

Just like a drug dealer, eh Mr. MikeJ. Etrain sent you that first selfie for free and now you are hooked and have to pay for more. Sad, very sad.

 

[Certaindeaf]

It's probably just false flag/misinformation anyway. Big bro probably has the keys but lets on otherwise.
think enigma strategy of ww2.. we couldn't let on and had to play "dumb" and not bat 1000 or otherwise they'd know

 

[oknow]

I don't care about the politics or the fact that Apple can hack the device. Get the information. By ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If it saves the life of just ONE American, it was worth it.

Freedom isn't free.
If you give the government everything you lose everything.
When is all that mega data collecting going to help that they so desperately wanted?

 

[Stomper]

We all know there's not gonna be any useful intel on that stupid phone. The useful part is the meta-data from calls outgoing and incoming, text messages, emails, and even websites that have been visited. This can all be easily acquired through the service carrier.

This is a Trojan horse to get the keys to every "safe" ever made, and every "safe" to be made by Apple. Nobody has mentioned the fact that the NSA, the CIA, and the FBI refuse to profile and vet people that come from "certain regions of the world" where terrorism is known to fester.

That is why you see 80-year-old white women in wheelchairs, and eight-year-old girl scouts getting damn near strip searched and felt up at TSA checkpoints at the airport, while burka clad individuals go through with nary a glance.

 

[oknow]

Everything Apple does is for marketing. Tim Cook did not need to make his public statement, he did it to make himself and Apple a hero in some eyes. He could have simply said "no" and kept quiet but he wanted the publicity. Besides, why would anyone believe that Apple doesn't have this backdoor already given the amount of data they, along with Google, FaceBook and others collect.
Apple is a HUGE RIPOFF. Apple is a marketing machine that takes in 94% of all smartphone profits but only accounts for 15% of the smartphone market, which means you are getting overcharged big time just so you can say "I have an iPhone".
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-takes-home-94-percent-215934827.html

What is the problem with using the government for promoting it's product?

 

[Larrytpdx]

What is the problem with using the government for promoting it's product?

I didn't say that at all. I said Apple is a ripoff and cares little about your privacy.

 

[oknow]

Everything Apple does is for marketing. Tim Cook did not need to make his public statement, he did it to make himself and Apple a hero in some eyes.

 

[Stomper]

The world could use a few heros these days...

 

[CoastRange57]

The code is more than just a 4 digit.

10 failed attempts and the data on the device is locked... I doubt they used a 4 digit passcode. Mine is set for 6 digit, or you better use my thumbprint.

The reason for the data wipe is just that. Just about any one of us could write an Excel program to crack a 4 or 6 digit code, and it could be done in a pretty short period of time. 8 years ago my bank account got hit for some charges in a short period of time. It was a business account that I basically kept open on my desk top all day.

I called the bank and the IT punk told me it could not happen. I told him it could and how. The account kept getting hit all until they closed it down. I talked to the VP and then got him hooked up with a geek I knew and used, and he told him how it could be done. Changed banks about week later.

 

[Mistman]

If anyone believes a programmer would write code w/out a way to get back in is delusional. This is a game. Think about it, it's not the 1st time the gov has gone to Apple w/a request like this but it's the 1st we've heard about it, in fact it's the 1st the world has heard about it right? So Tim says F you, the government makes a big show of being PO'd because they don't have a way to 'crack' an iPhone. Tim makes sure everyone knows that there's no way it can be done w/out rewriting the OS and that's something they won't do, can't let the genie out of the bottle don't ya know. So now everyone w/an 'i' is gushing that Tim's got their back and he won't give in to the man. They all feel a little safer passing around that kiddy porn, drug deals, whatever they want to whoever they want as long as it's got an apple on it. You know Apple has to deal w/the government just to get access to bandwidth and pass FCC and UL regs? It's all a big joke on us if you ask me.

 

[Swedish K]

McAfee or however its spelled has offered to extract the info and provide it without providing any info on how they did it. Said his team would probably need 3 weeks.

Also saw an article that .gov "accidentally" wiped the phone, if true the point is mute aside from trying to obtain an easy access to all Iphones...

 

[Brutus57]

I am with Apple too, the San Berdoo cow is out of the barn. The .gov will always go for the "ends justify the means" and it's for the greater good. This is another flimsy fear tactic to allow them another layer of laws and intrusions of privacy.

Brutus Out