Homeowner Is Arrested For Open Carrying An Empty Shotgun

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  1. U201491

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  2. PX4WA

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    While I agree police over reacted, homeowner broke the law by detaining the biker at gunpoint...

    If you don't think he didn't do that, explain why a guy in a bike that can outrun the owner would stick around for the cops and a ticket...

    We all know he detained him, and that's the only way that it would happen
     
  3. Brutus57

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    Ever hear 0of citizen's arrest. The dirt biker was clearly trespassing and the cops over reacted. I think the cops did the arrest to cover their incompetence. I would say the man and his wife will own a nice chunk of that county or municipality. I'd also file a civil suit on the dirt biker for destruction of private property. Hopefully the DA there is a straight shooter but probably back the police. Trespassing is trespassing. Dirt bikers can go ride on public or land they have permission. And I ride.
    He had a right to detain him, especially if the guy might have had stolen property in his position.

    Brutus Out
     
  4. PX4WA

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    I know about citizens arrest, if there was no felony involved you cannot point a gun at somebody. .citizens arrest or not

    And for the record the guy was not open carrying a shotgun, he was holding it in his hand and not slung on his shoulder or a holster..

    In wa that could be construed as brandishing... although that may not be the case in Michigan
     
  5. AMProducts

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    Eh, growing up in the desert, dirt bikers on your property are a constant PITA. You post your signs, mend your fences, and when you find one, be polite and ask them to stay off your property. In the bulk of cases, this is quite effective because these people are often your neighbors, or neighbors kids. In the case of out-of-towners it usually went the same. Once a full fence was put up around the property, it was never an issue again. Threats of violence or pulling guns was never an issue. I think the last thing I would assume of your normal pedestrian trespasser is assuming they were there to rob you or someone else.

    It seems this whole situation works out to everyone acting like a-holes. The dirtbiker was an a-hole, the property owner was an a-hole, and the cops came along and decided to act like a-holes also. The big problem, the property owner is up on felony charges now. And you know what that means? He won't be able to vote if convicted.
     
  6. PX4WA

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    That's really over reaching to accuse the biker of felony theft now isn't it?

    You've almost always made sense but to pretend the guy was a thief is really stretching the imagination
     
  7. RVTECH

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    The picture of the cop is all I needed to see. I think we are dealing with probably 'two digits' here.
     
  8. PiratePast40

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    I've heard conflicting stories concerning video recording the police during an encounter. Is it a state by state thing, or is it the same across the board?
     
  9. Frankenrifle

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    What's the RCW for "brandishing" a weapon?
     
  10. PX4WA

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    You can look it up... I'm sure you have internet and Google
     
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    It's state by state.. in wa it's legal as far as I know
     
  12. Stomper

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    SCOTUS has ruled citizens have every right to video record the police.
     
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    I see two officers on paid administrative leave, I see a law suit and the couple winning the decision, I can't wait to see what happens in this case!
     
  14. Adam12

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    I'd like to see the report to determine more info than the slanted article on "oath keepers."


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    And that's part of the problem... we complain about leftist media being biased but most swallow rightist media as gospel...

    Most people need to learn to filter the facts from the bias. Just because it's what you want to hear does not make it true
     
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    If this is a continual thing, Id post signs of "bad terrain" as well as no trespassing among other warnings "walk/ ride at your own risk". Id then dig pitfalls (no not spiked) but enough to deliver a nice little fall for any would be trespassers. Perhaps single wire "fencing" at neck level?

    I think this man (especially given the back story with hunting and all) was more than well within his right to detain the trespasser. Not enough info stating if he was actually pointing the shotgun at the trespasser or not.. But he should be able to detain or fight off anyone on his land. After the man got off the bike, I would have taken the keys and put the shotgun in the house or at least on the porch. But then again.. It was his damn property and he should be able to hold one slung or not.

    Im sickened that our property rights are eroding away as well.
    Kids cant so much as even play air soft or "army" in ones yard nor can one post a sign without john brown coming to snatch it up.
     
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    How do we know he wasn't a thief. He broke the law. Do we know if he left immediately when told to or was he caught a second time. The owner had a right to protect his land. I 'll bet the owner wins in a jury trial and wins the civil lawsuit. The video of the cop over reacting will just add fuel to the fire. Interesting to see how it turns out .
    Brutus out
     
  18. Burt Gummer

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    He broke a basic rule. He called the police. Never call them, never ask anything of them. He was naive about this fact and now has to pay the price.

    When you are walking a trail and see a rattlesnake off in the distance do you walk up, remove your boot and sock and tease the snake with your bare foot?

    Same deal. Give the things that want to wreck your life a wide berth.

    Don't be confused into believing any of your 'rights' - individual or property are actually real. They are illusions and the man would be more than happy to prove that to you.

    This man had absolutely NOTHING to gain by calling the police out to his property. Even if the perp is arrested for trespassing, that is just a notch above jaywalking. A waste of time.

    Police exist to keep the minions under control for the benefit of the corporate-government state. They don't exist to protect YOUR private property or individual rights at all.

    SHER-IFF: One who oversees the peasants for the benefit of the king/owner.
     
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    They stated they were out hunting on their property. They had a .410 and the son had a crossbow. people generally have weapons when hunting...duh. They stated they had not pointed the weapons at the dirtbiker. The .410 was also unloaded. How do you know a citizen arrest was not made. It didn't' say either way.
    The property was well posted.
    Unless he lives in a totally leftist town made up of dirtbager....er Dirtbikers. My bet is nothing comes of it. But it is the eastern US.........
    Oathkeepers generally carries stories reported from other sources very accurately. To criticize them in such a manner shows you don't have a clue what they stand for.
    Instead of being a smartazz, why dont you bring forth something that contradicts the article if you are so sure.
     
  20. RB87

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    The video, albeit short shows all that needs to be shown and said. Her cell phone video is not clearly evidence at that point, thats obvious intimidation on their part. She has every right to record them, she is not hindering them in their duties during that video other than providing sunlight.

    Thats the statement of a cop who doesn't like seeing anyone but government officials with guns lest he piss himself in fear. And he couldn't even describe the weapon properly himself. Any report we get from the cops will be self-serving. Thats obvious to me given the mere 36 second video we have which they apparently deleted.

    In the end, this just illustrates that unless you really really need them, the police are not worth calling. They should have escorted the rider off their land and told him to not come back. To arrest the man for merely being "armed" on his own land though... sorry, but for me the police now get very little benefit of the doubt and this is a perfect example of why.

    Oh and yeah, everyone comes off as an bubblegum here. The problem is, the cops don't get to be bubblegums. They have badges and guns. Whats that comic book line? "With great power, comes great responsibility."
     
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