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Germanair crash in France was intentional

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Bigfoot, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    They haven't released the pilots names yet...
    This explains the radio silence.
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    "Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

    PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

    A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

    “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

    He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

    While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

    "We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

    Continued.... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html
     
  2. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    A medical emergency of the remaining pilot would be an explanation of sorts, however, if there was such a thing why did he program the auto pilot for a decent? If there was a loss of pressure they would have known and it would be very loud I'd assume.
     
  3. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Fade-in . . .Twilight Zone theme . . .

    Sheldon
     
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  4. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Released American passenger names, flight data recorder guts missing
     
  5. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yeah if there was some terrorist stuff happening they would be all too happy to take responsibility for it. A medical emergency would be more likely, but why would the auto-pilot send the plane down?

    Something fishy for sure.
    Just like the still missing flight from last year.
     
  6. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    It's getting worse. Turns out the Airbus cockpit door has a keypad access. That keypad can be disabled from the cockpit by throwing a switch from NORMAL to the LOCKED position. The high time ex-Lufthansa pilot left and moments later the low time (700 hrs) co-pilot must have locked him out.
     
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  7. Slobray

    Slobray Yelm, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so sure about terrorist's not being responsible. It makes me wonder when the White House tells us that it wasn't terrorism ( http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/236744-white-house-no-sign-terrorism-led-to-plane-crash ) before the investigators have had time to investigate. When the White House tells us what it wasn't, I tend to believe the opposite; you know, like Benghazi was about a YouTube video, 99% of the weapons in the hands of the Mexican cartels come from the US, if you like your doctor, we respect the Second Amendment, but....., etc, etc, etc



    Ray
     
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  8. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The DailyMail claims (reports):


    Killer co-pilot had to STOP his training because he was depressed and suffering 'burnout': First clues into why German deliberately flew plane into mountain after locking captain out of cockpit
    • Black box voice recorder reveals chilling final moments of Airbus A320
    • Co-pilot heard breathing calmly as he smashed jet into Alps at 400mph
    • Prosecutor: 'The intention was to destroy the plane. Death was instant'
    • Co-pilot was named today as 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz
    • Prosecutor says he does not believe disaster was suicide or terrorism
    • Lubitz stopped his training in 2008 after suffering depression and 'burnout'
    By JAKE WALLIS SIMONS and DARREN BOYLE and ALLAN HALL and SIMON TOMLINSON and STEPHANIE LINNING FOR MAILONLINE and HARRIET SIME IN LONDON and PETER ALLEN IN PARIS FOR THE DAILY MAIL

    PUBLISHED: 18:56 EST, 25 March 2015 | UPDATED: 11:15 EST, 26 March 2015



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html#ixzz3VVmwKizF
     
  9. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    same article also mentions a similar occurrence in Nov 2003. Captain locks out co-pilot and crashes the plane. The possibility for this was not new.

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    The fate of the Germanwings plane has chilling similarities to that of LAM flight 470 which crashed in Namibia in November 2013, killing all 27 passengers and six crew.

    Air crash investigators believe the Embraer 190 jet was flown into the ground by the captain after his co-pilot went to the toilet.

    The jet's captain, Herminio dos Santos Fernandes was believed to have had serious personal problems at the time of his death.

    When his co-pilot went to the toilet, flight data information recovered from the scene found that Fernandes manually changed the aircraft's altitude from 38,000 feet to almost 600 feet below ground level.

    He also pushed the aircraft's throttles back to idle and selected the jet's maximum operating speed.

    Distubringly, the cockpit voice recorder picked up the sound of the co-pilot pounding on the door in an attempt to regain access to the flight deck.
     
  10. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Need to have 3 pilots all with self defense skills.
    Never leave a pilot alone.
    I thought we had a policy that if a pilot had to leave the cockpit that a flight attendant would sit in with the other pilot?
    Maybe i'm just making that up.
     
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  11. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    US airlines have that rule, not European ones. They will soon have them, I bet.
     
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  12. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    We do have exactly that rule, but the Europeans don't. Not yet...
     
  13. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    not too many airlines left that I would fly,guess it's driving, taking the train and bus now. why couldn't the guy just go home and quietly commit suicide in the garage with a running car engine. taking out 150 people just shows how deranged he was.

    seriously, I think there's something wrong with germans
     
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  14. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    :s0045:
     
  15. Gator Monroe

    Gator Monroe Southern Cascades Well-Known Member

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    Deranged CoPilot looks like The actor who plays older Brother of Norman Bates of the Bates Motel TV Series ...:eek:
     
  16. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    No different than the people that commit mass shootings.
    It about making sure the world sees you.
     
  17. NoFlinch

    NoFlinch In a van down by the river Owner of Cocaine addicted dog.

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    Thank God.........

    I'm German & SWISS:D:)
     
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  18. NoFlinch

    NoFlinch In a van down by the river Owner of Cocaine addicted dog.

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    I'm reserving ALL opinions until the BS dies down.....

    .......And the speculation is finished.........

    ..........and a Fox News babe tells me the truth.......:);):(:confused::cool::p:D:oops::rolleyes:
     
  19. CoastRange57

    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Additionally, the remaining pilot has to put on an oxygen mask until the other pilot returns to the flight deck. Supposed to anyway....does not always happen.

    Government agencies are generally a pain in the azz, but the FAA has made domestic flying and international originating or terminating in the US pretty safe. I am not much of a traveler, but not going anywhere a US carrier cannot take me. TO get an idea of how many aircraft are in air at any time in this world try this site http://www.flightradar24.com/43.04,-122.38/8
     
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  20. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Holt crap that scary.
    I was listening to an interview with the old director of the NTSB and he was sying even with the big airliners that went down last year it was one of the safest in aviation history.