Disposable Nitrogen Air Guns ...

[WAYNO]

In my most recent gun rag, they tested an Umarex Nitrogen powered airgun using disposable nitrogen cartridges.

The article did not discuss the cost of these little nitrogen cartridges, but I discovered they are 12 to 15 bucks each, online. Seems really expensive. Anybody using these types of airguns? If not for the cost of the nitrogen, I might have been interested.

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[Alexx1401]

Had never heard of them but the price of the gas does sound like a downer

 

[Alexx1401]

Just looked at one and for the price it was damn impressive. Claims you will get around 45 shots per cartridge which run about $12 to $13 each.

 

[edzz]

Wow, over 25 cents a shot before factoring in a pellet.
Performance on par with many springers whose cost per shot is only the price of the pellet.
I'll stick with my springers and PCP guns.

 

[Alexx1401]

Wow, over 25 cents a shot before factoring in a pellet.
Performance on par with many springers whose cost per shot is only the price of the pellet.
I'll stick with my springers and PCP guns.

I don't expect these will be flying off the shelf anytime soon due to that. It is a nice idea, the Nitrogen is much more consistent and the one video I watched the damn little rifle turned in VERY good accuracy. The cost of the gas bottles is going to be the big downer here. Guessing this is why I had never even heard of these things. Did not look at how long they had been around but I have to wonder if the things will not just suddenly up and go away if they don't sell? Leaving people who have one with no one selling the gas all of a sudden?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

In my most recent gun rag, they tested an Umarex Nitrogen powered airgun using disposable nitrogen cartridges.

The article did not discuss the cost of these little nitrogen cartridges, but I discovered they are 12 to 15 bucks each, online. Seems really expensive. Anybody using these types of airguns? If not for the cost of the nitrogen, I might have been interested.

Why bother with nitrogen when air is free. Pre charged pneumatic has been the way since 1779. It was just forgotten for a while.

3000 psi, 20 round, circa 1780

 

[Alexx1401]

Why bother with nitrogen when air is free. Pre charged pneumatic has been the way since 1779. It was just forgotten for a while.

3000 psi, 20 round, circa 1780
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I am VERY big on the PCP. Have been every since I first tried one. There is still a LOT of CO2 guns being made for I have to "guess" those who don't want to pump up a tank?? Have been kind of surprised the CO2 rifles still seem to sell. From what little I read the up side to the Nitrogen is temp fluctuation. It does not change the POI like seems to happen with CO2. Still of course pricey by the time you buy those throw away bottles of course. Soon after I bought my Select fire PCP I bought a little portable, air cooled, no oil, compressor that works either plugged in at home or use the vehicle battery. Be great for anyone who wants to take a PCP out in the country or camping and such.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I am VERY big on the PCP. Have been ever since I first tried one. There is still a LOT of CO2 guns being made for I have to "guess" those who don't want to pump up a tank?? Have been kind of surprised the CO2 rifles still seem to sell. From what little I read the up side to the Nitrogen is temp fluctuation. It does not change the POI like seems to happen with CO2. Still of course pricey by the time you buy those throw away bottles of course. Soon after I bought my Select fire PCP I bought a little portable, air cooled, no oil, compressor that works either plugged in at home or use the vehicle battery. Be great for anyone who wants to take a PCP out in the country or camping and such.

Yea PCP for me. Have had springer and co2. Co2 is fine if you are ok with limited power and take steps to keep it at nearer to constant temp (primarily how fast you shoot is biggest factor).

I had a lothar Walther barrel pistol that woudl put pellets in the same hole indefinitely at 20 yards (bench rested), if you select pellets with zero deformation on the skirt, and took time between shots to make sure doesn't get to cold. And of course had to live with 5 fpe or whatever it was. Plenty of power for squirrels due to accuracy. Crows you needed neck or head shots only.

 

[TTSX]

Use propane, get extra velocity

 

[spookshack]

Yes. Propane and propane accessories.

 

[waltermitty]

Seems to me one could simply tether the rifle to a N2 tank for bench shooting and save quite a bit, though you'd lose the portability. This is great marketing but annoying...like Olight, Nitecore et al, producing great flashlight models with proprietary batteries, modifying the design of over-the-counter lithium batteries. If this rifle sells like wildfire, someone will produce a refillable cartridge and sell via aliexpress

 

[Koda]

For what little use I need out of an airgun a disposable nitrogen (DN) gun would be worth considering even if shot cost is higher.
The problem is I have a breakbarrel springer that just simply sucks in so many ways Im jaded on the idea of starting over. It doesnt help that my budget is cheap too, Id be willing to spend around $200ish to start over with a PCP or DN but I just have no idea what to get and do not want another lemon.
For comparison what I have now is a Benjamin Vaporizer Nitro Piston elite, 22cal.


All I need is an airgun that will consistently hold a .5" MAX group at up to 20 yards, must be quiet to shoot all hours and have a decent enough trigger, and be around $200ish. Any recommendations I might consider.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

For what little use I need out of an airgun a disposable nitrogen (DN) gun would be worth considering even if shot cost is higher.
The problem is I have a breakbarrel springer that just simply sucks in so many ways Im jaded on the idea of starting over. It doesnt help that my budget is cheap too, Id be willing to spend around $200ish to start over with a PCP or DN but I just have no idea what to get and do not want another lemon.
For comparison what I have now is a Benjamin Vaporizer Nitro Piston elite, 22cal.


All I need is an airgun that will consistently hold a .5" MAX group at up to 20 yards, must be quiet to shoot all hours and have a decent enough trigger, and be around $200ish. Any recommendations I might consider.

I've been there with break barrels. IMO never get good enough accuracy unless massive $ spent on high end air arms brand or something.

IMO $200 is too cheap for good pcp and pump. Although used $300 might be doable. Marauder rifle is most common used for that price. For low budget a used or new? Benjamin discovery is within that budget but is a rifle and very cheap feeling stock.

These are within your budget but I would ask the question are they good on gateway to airguns forum. You'll know everything there is to know about them from the responses. Keep in mind poeple on there like to modify things but often there is no need to at all. I know nothing about these 2:

Crosman 3622 PCP

Crosman 3622 PCP air rifle delivers affordable .22 caliber accuracy with a hand-pump-friendly 2000 PSI reservoir and durable design.

www.crosman.com

Benjamin Akela (.22)

Benjamin Akela .22 PCP air rifle features a bullpup design, walnut stock, side lever action, and up to 60 shots per fill.

www.crosman.com

For more $ I can recommend Benjamin marauder pistol .22. I've had for about 11 years and it gets used roughly 2x per week year round. Only failure is fill valve which is a $6 common paintball gun valve.

Don't buy Benjamin or crosman pump. They are expensive and garbage. Cheap pump from Amazon/walmart has lasted me 10 years so far.

Here is woods walker (cano) version of marauder pistol. Buy a TKO muzzle brake to make it unbelievably quiet. Peopel wont hear it 15 feet away. Zero mods are needed other than tko brake. Use h&n field target trophy power pellets. I put a piece of metal pic rail on the back of mine and added 1913 stock. Back of marauder pistol reciever is threaded so you only need correct bolt to add a pic rail piece.

Benjamin Marauder Woods Walker PCP Air Pistol: Airguns of Arizona | Premier Airgun Store

Section2 | TKOAirguns

Suppressors for the Benjamin Marauder Pistol and the other variants.

www.tko22.com

Best pellets for marauder pistol

Amazon.com

 

[Koda]

IMO $200 is too cheap for good pcp and pump. Although used $300 might be doable. Marauder rifle is most common used for that price. For low budget a used or new?

The reason for my low price point is because I really have no need for an airgun, but get "mild" entertainment once or twice a year culling rats in the backyard. Its just really hard to spend the money on something quality for such little use. I experimented with a piston springer and it was/is a waste of money and I'm not into wounding animals even if they are vermin rats so I stopped using it altogether.

There is one exception, Ive always coveted those Marauder PCP pistols "just because" to me they would be the ultimate airgun toy and Id actually enjoy just shooting one randomly in the backyard just for the fun of it. If I ever splurged more than $200 on an airgun this is the one I think I would like the most. The smaller package makes it less obvious to the ever nosy watchful eye of my neighbor "karen" too. I'm assuming they are very quiet?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

The reason for my low price point is because I really have no need for an airgun, but get "mild" entertainment once or twice a year culling rats in the backyard. Its just really hard to spend the money on something quality for such little use. I experimented with a piston springer and it was/is a waste of money and I'm not into wounding animals even if they are vermin rats so I stopped using it altogether.

There is one exception, Ive always coveted those Marauder PCP pistols "just because" to me they would be the ultimate airgun toy and Id actually enjoy just shooting one randomly in the backyard just for the fun of it. If I ever splurged more than $200 on an airgun this is the one I think I would like the most. The smaller package makes it less obvious to the ever nosy watchful eye of my neighbor "karen" too. I'm assuming they are very quiet?

Quiet is probably not the right word. Silent or close to it is pretty accurate. I've shot with people 10 feet away and they never noticed. But that only applies if using tko brake. It's both shrouded barrel and the valving and tko and shroud combo makes it crazy quiet.

If it's just for fun a co2 BB gun machine gun can be had for around $200. I sold my brand new Thompson replica for $100 here. A couple years ago. Still have the mp40 replica. Fun but not accurate imo. They sound like an impact driver not an airgun so no one cares.

You might check gateway to airguns or yellow forum for a used modified crosman 2240/2340/2300 (co2). More than enough power for rats and barely enough for squirrels. Mine had a lothar Walther 11" choked barrel and I got a modified valve for more power. With predator poly mag pellets it woudl put in same hole at 20 yards indefinitely, provided you select pellets with no skirt deformation and paused significantly between shots (to avoid temp change to fps) and use a scope. I don't mean one ragged hole, I mean one pellet sized hole. Again tko muzzle brake will help a lot with noise but it will not be nearly as quiet as the marauder pistol with tko. They are modular and can put 7-18" barrels on it, modify valves, modify to PCP, optics, stocks, whatever.

Mp40 BB machine gun for $119 (refurb)

Good price for this fun gun. Looks pretty cool. 60 round mag. Uses 2 12 gram co2 cartridges. These guys also have great prices on H&N pellets fwiw/btw...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[Koda]

Quiet is probably not the right word. Silent or close to it is pretty accurate. I've shot with people 10 feet away and they never noticed. But that only applies if using tko brake. It's both shrouded barrel and the valving and tko and shroud combo makes it crazy quiet.

Appreciate the tips, this Marauder set up would be a lot of fun to own. Bookmarked, maybe after the christmas season I can let all this tempt me enough in time for summer backyard fun.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Appreciate the tips, this Marauder set up would be a lot of fun to own. Bookmarked, maybe after the christmas season I can let all this tempt me enough in time for summer backyard fun.

These guys occasionally have good sales on refurbs https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/refurbished.html

 

[waltermitty]

I didn't know what PCP was until a few months ago. I owned a Sheridan Blue Streak for 30+ years and decided I wanted a pistol (light, portable). No to pump, spring, CO2....then I saw PCP.

Okay, I'll forego the Huben GK1 or the Western Mordax and get something more budget friendly. I chose the Benj Marauder pistol 'P-rod' given its proven design and decent user base (great aftermarket support). I'll also buy a higher end floor pump and call it a day. Big mistake. Pumping took almost an hour and I had to take a nap to recover vs plinking.

I also made the mistake of thinking I could outfit the pistol with open sights like a Williams peep. Wrong.

So I'm now into a paintball reflex sight and a decent compressor. I found the luggable compressor , while a great performer (GX CS4) too bulky. So next came the pineapple size carbon fiber tank....then the dual gauge valve.

Long story short, I'm set and can carry everything (sans compressor) in a large tennis racquet bag from Goodwill but I'm in the hole for nearly $2k.

....and the remodeling of the bathroom was delayed. LOL !!

 

[P7M13]

I picked up a Sig MCX PCP from another member here. Bought a compressor. The compressor takes about four minutes to charge the 1/2 liter air bottle to 3ksi.
I find it only keeps a charge for about three hours. Seems the Sig has a known problem with their seals, so I need to replace the charging valve stem seals.
It's not the most accurate air rifle, shoots a minute of paper plate at 20 yards. But that's enough for what I want it for, to practice my clay shooting, pull up and shoot. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than 50¢/round+clay.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I didn't know what PCP was until a few months ago. I owned a Sheridan Blue Streak for 30+ years and decided I wanted a pistol (light, portable). No to pump, spring, CO2....then I saw PCP.

Okay, I'll forego the Huben GK1 or the Western Mordax and get something more budget friendly. I chose the Benj Marauder pistol 'P-rod' given its proven design and decent user base (great aftermarket support). I'll also buy a higher end floor pump and call it a day. Big mistake. Pumping took almost an hour and I had to take a nap to recover vs plinking.

I also made the mistake of thinking I could outfit the pistol with open sights like a Williams peep. Wrong.

So I'm now into a paintball reflex sight and a decent compressor. I found the luggable compressor , while a great performer (GX CS4) too bulky. So next came the pineapple size carbon fiber tank....then the dual gauge valve.

Long story short, I'm set and can carry everything (sans compressor) in a large tennis racquet bag from Goodwill but I'm in the hole for nearly $2k.

....and the remodeling of the bathroom was delayed. LOL !!

Wow something majorly wrong with your pump!

My Benjamin marauder pistol always takes 10 effortless pumps until there is resistance (valve cracks open).Then 15-20 pumps to full pressure (2800 psi). This takes about 1 minute or 2. Going all the way to 3000 psi is about 25 pumps after valve is open (about 2 minutes total). Pumping is not difficult with that pump.

My original POS Benjamin pump was just like yours. Extremely hard to pump and almost no fill with each pump. It was broken and absolute hell to use. It should not be like that. The $50-$60 Amazon pump is super easy and takes only a minute or 2 to get from 1800 psi to full pressure. It is not hard to pump like those broken pumps.