Denied! background check. Now Appealing this.

[oremike]

Ssn is optional.

Or , is it?

It is but apparently it can help. Duly noted and filed away for future use.

 

[TTSX]

Ssn is optional.

Or , is it?

I just filled out a 4473 22 minutes ago and got instant, no SSN used. Doesn't seem required to me

 

[FALshot]

I will be interested in following any updates that you may provide.

I suspect that there's nothing in the law that allows you to recover, at very least, your expenses for correcting THEIR mistake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but denying a law abiding citizen their Second Amendment right is a clear civil rights violation. Civil rights violations used to mean something.

 

[TTSX]

I will be interested in following any updates that you may provide.

I suspect that there's nothing in the law that allows you to recover, at very least, your expenses for correcting THEIR mistake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but denying a law abiding citizen their Second Amendment right is a clear civil rights violation. Civil rights violations used to mean something.

I have a dream that we, as gun owners, won't have to sit at the back of the bus

 

[MikeInOr]

Ssn is optional.

Or , is it?

It sounds like it is "optional" in Washington State but they won't give you an approval without it.

 

[Knobgoblin]

It sounds like it is "optional" in Washington State but they won't give you an approval without it.

Good thing it ISN'T a federal identification number we've all been issued at birth.

 

[User 1234]

It sounds like it is "optional" in Washington State but they won't give you an approval without it.

They process approvals on a regular basis without SSNs. In some cases where identities get confused because of name and DOB commonality, it can prevent a false positive.

 

[bodyelectric34]

Ssn is optional.

Or , is it?

Now I know it's mandatory for me!

 

[bodyelectric34]

They process approvals on a regular basis without SSNs. In some cases where identities get confused because of name and DOB commonality, it can prevent a false positive.

In my case, "yes." This was the scenario, since WA State Police went to SAFE background database instead of NICS (which sounds like it was cumbersome) I ran my rap sheet yesterday and I do see a duplicate of my name and birthdate which immediately sends a red flag/denied. I'm currently going to fix that this week and send in fingerprints and also get a UPIN from the FBI because it helps my identity.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Now I know it's mandatory for me!

I've been using mine since my very first "transfer " back around 90/91.
I still get delayed almost every time.
The one incident where I was denied never did have a stated reason for the denial. I went through the massive hassle of appealing, and at the end it was a waste of time and money. Some stress too .
Whatever I paid to have my prints done and a little postage, so not a lot of money. But it's the fact that I got no answer as to why that was infuriating.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I just filled out a 4473 22 minutes ago and got instant, no SSN used. Doesn't seem required to me

Agree I never used my social and all mine have been instants (except one where employee hand entered it and screwed it up). Last instant was couple weeks ago.

 

[bodyelectric34]

I've been using mine since my very first "transfer " back around 90/91.
I still get delayed almost every time.
The one incident where I was denied never did have a stated reason for the denial. I went through the massive hassle of appealing, and at the end it was a waste of time and money. Some stress too .
Whatever I paid to have my prints done and a little postage, so not a lot of money. But it's the fact that I got no answer as to why that was infuriating.

interesting. WSP may be more responsive on follow ups for appeals today. It really was a stressful 24 hours, I purchased parts to build my Full-size dagger (a couple barrels, and mag extensions etc) thinking I would have to return the parts or sell them was upsetting. Also the fact your name is on a Denied firearms list for 6 years can put you on the radar which no one wants to be on.
Here are few pics last night on different slides I got for the frame.

 

[Member 86767]

I have people ask me frequently where I work if it "helps" to put the social security number down on the 4473. I will have a better answer for them now. I would never have said 20 years ago my name was common, but when one googles ones self or does a facebook search for either my first or middle name and last name a surprising number of duplicates come up. People get nervous about he SS number and I don't blame them, but it is another identifier.

 

[Gunbuggy]

I've been using mine since my very first "transfer " back around 90/91.
I still get delayed almost every time.
The one incident where I was denied never did have a stated reason for the denial. I went through the massive hassle of appealing, and at the end it was a waste of time and money. Some stress too .
Whatever I paid to have my prints done and a little postage, so not a lot of money. But it's the fact that I got no answer as to why that was infuriating.

Did you end up getting a UPIN as a result of your appeal? Mine has definitely helped with my erroneous delays. It's not a sure thing guarantee, I still get delays randomly but they tend to get cleared up in a day or two as opposed to never getting an answer. Before we had the waiting period in WA, I basically was always dealing with a waiting period lol.

 

[bodyelectric34]

Did you end up getting a UPIN as a result of your appeal? Mine has definitely helped with my erroneous delays. It's not a sure thing guarantee, I still get delays randomly but they tend to get cleared up in a day or two as opposed to never getting an answer. Before we had the waiting period in WA, I basically was always dealing with a waiting period lol.

I'm in the process now for getting the UPIN, The thing that red flagged me is a duplicate error of my profile with the WSP. I'm sending them thumb prints to add to my record so they can differenterate between the two. Also a request to delete the duplicate if possible. I don't know how that was created in the first place.

 

[bodyelectric34]

I just filled out a 4473 22 minutes ago and got instant, no SSN used. Doesn't seem required to me

For anyone out there with a common name, highly recommended to put the SSN in the optional field.

 

[Doc wind]

Sorry this happened to you. Good luck getting it straightened out.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Did you end up getting a UPIN as a result of your appeal? Mine has definitely helped with my erroneous delays. It's not a sure thing guarantee, I still get delays randomly but they tend to get cleared up in a day or two as opposed to never getting an answer. Before we had the waiting period in WA, I basically was always dealing with a waiting period lol.

I did not .
Besides the gunshow/store vendors telling tales of the UPIN creating a personal micro-registry ,I hate bending my knee.
The idea of preemptively complying isn't for me.
To each their own.

 

[oremike]

I did not .
Besides the gunshow/store vendors telling tales of the UPIN creating a personal micro-registry ,I hate bending my knee.
The idea of preemptively complying isn't for me.
To each their own.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60hUz36KIqM

 

[Gunbuggy]

I did not .
Besides the gunshow/store vendors telling tales of the UPIN creating a personal micro-registry ,I hate bending my knee.
The idea of preemptively complying isn't for me.
To each their own.

Yeah I mean, Im sure there's some truth to that but I bet it's mostly just shop talk. I personally think someone would have to be oblivious to think that they aren't already adding to some micro registry every time they fill out a 4473. I'd get not going for a UPIN if you'd only ever done handshake deals, never filled out a 4473 or a Form 1 or Form 4, and never applied for a CPL in your state. But if your name is already on government paperwork forms I don't see an issue. That information definitely doesn't just vanish into thin air after they run you.

For me, I got the UPIN to avoid having to wait until the 3, 5, or 10 day (depending on dealer) hold before they can release it with no answer from NICS.

As a guy with a dozen registered NFA items I guess I'm not too worried about having a UPIN.