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I've been searching for advice to help convince a couple of friends that they should pursue charges over an incident were they had gotten shot at on private property. Supposedly these two had been on the river looking for rocks or whatever. Come to a section were they felt that they should let private land owner be aware of there presence. Woman knocks, no answer. As she is walking off 2 men began shooting at her and her friend without warning from what was said. The law was contacted, the shooters (from what I can tell by way of word and internet search), were not issued any tickets or was cited for the shooting. P.S. the 2 men was not the owners of the private property at which incident took place as well ..... I honestly feel as though my friends are stupid not to pursue charges, any thoughts on this?
The more I think bout this the more I realize, I was raised differently than most when it comes to brandishing a firearm. As in, I was raised to NEVER clear leather unless I intend to kill without a doubt whatever it is I'm pulling up on wether animal, human or target no exceptions. This has been instilled in me from the time I could hold the barrel up
 
How do you know this...?

I am not asking the above to be argumentative....
I am asking the above , to try and have you consider something .

How can you state something as a fact : "...the two were in no way appearing to be a threat..."
How do you know / can prove this...?
You weren't there....and if you were there...it would still be your perception of the events...not those of the shooters.

How can say what would have happened if....
"...the shooters would have actually tried to confront them before opening fire they would not have had to waste there ammo."
Again...you know this how...?
You were not one of the shooters...so how can you what would have happened if they ( the shooters ) "confronted " your friends...?

And again...
I am not trying to be or sound like a male appendage here...
I am just asking for you to take a moment...and ask yourself....how can you know or prove this to be true....?

Andy
Once again I appreciate the input. All good points, and to answer you I basically put myself in the shoes of the shooters. Now I personally know all parties in the Incident. First I put myself in the position of someone who is of the mind that they are protecting a neighbor or there property. Before opening fire on a woman that is wearing nothing that can conceal a weapon, I'd take that into account first. And then having the moral decency to actually confront another like a man (especially knowing that I've got backup) I'd a asked what her business was soon to realize who this girl and her bf who would now be seen and clearly recognized that both of these individuals are not the type to do any harm. That's how it would have went down. Certain of it due to the nature of the two which I doubt has ever had to be violent in there lives. And knowing the other party personally, same goes for them. Even as reckless as they are known for being, upon realizing who was infact in question, the situation would have de-escalated dramatically
 
So when they came upon private property did the go back and drive around and come up the driveway or did they just walk up from the river thru the property straight to the door?
All I can recall being told bout that was that they had been up river the previous day and had walked bank in search for rocks, and they had to park almost a mile from were they had left off (before private land) and that the gf had walked up and knocked on door for whatever reason. So I assume walked up from river or surrounding area?
 
Former White House resident joe biden said

"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house." "I promise you whoever's coming in is not gonna," :s0140:


:s0093:
 
Thank you for the reply @Ni4ni

One last thing from me here....
Lots of " I" statements In you post # 23.
Again....you were not there...nor were you party to any of the actions here.
We "know:" from your statements of "I"...what you would have done...but not with 100% certainly what others would have done.

Knowing someone....can give a reasonable assurance of what they might do or say...but not with 100% accuracy.

Questions like mine...and someone questioning the answers will happen in court , if this matter gets there...again...just something to consider.
What can be proven..is very important in court.
However....what can be used to cast doubt or question the proof...is also important...no matter how much one may think they know about someone or some situation.

In any event....
I will take my own earlier advice of dropping this matter and avoiding the area...and do so.

I wish you and your friends all the best with this matter.
Andy
 
This is no doubt true however something else to consider - what made your friends believe THEY were being shot at? Were bullets zinging past them, hitting the ground? Were the 'shooters' yelling at them at the same time to 'get off my property' - OR was it just coincidence they happened to be on private property, tried to knock on a door, and after leaving just heard some 'random' shots (maybe NOT even at them) but they interpreted it as 'them' being shot at?

Not to pass judgement but in my 'life' in Oregon I have more than a few times encountered people who when hiking/driving in the woods came across people LEGALLY shooting, or heard shots and expressed turgid fear over it.

It's possible SOME people might 'jump to conclusions' over nothing but hearing shots and because of their lack of knowledge or irrationality might believe THEY were being shot at.

I have more than a few times in my life attempted to explain to people (newbees) about shooting in the Nat Forest and to simply move away from it if it bothered them and above all do NOT approach people target shooting unless you are wanting information or have questions but to do so carefully and respectfully.
Well both especially the gf were in extreme shock, even the next day when they told me what had happened it was obvious. Keep in mind that these two are in no way "flatlanders" and are familiar with firearms. I mean ppl can make bubblegum up and do, but these arnt the type, and when the gf is obviously now terrified to practically go anywhere and the dude is explaining how branches exploded next to his head as they ran for there lives ECT. As It's being told I'm seeing the gf tremble and sob.... It's in no way a delusion. Besides word got around quicklike before the two was even released
 
Thank you for the reply @Ni4ni

One last thing from me here....
Lots of " I" statements In you post # 23.
Again....you were not there...nor were you party to any of the actions here.
We "know:" from your statements of "I"...what you would have done...but not with 100% certainly what others would have done.

Knowing someone....can give a reasonable assurance of what they might do or say...but not with 100% accuracy.

Questions like mine...and someone questioning the answers will happen in court , if this matter gets there...again...just something to consider.
What can be proven..is very important in court.
However....what can be used to cast doubt or question the proof...is also important...no matter how much one may think they know about someone or some situation.

In any event....
I will take my own earlier advice of dropping this matter and avoiding the area...and do so.

I wish you and your friends all the best with this matter.
Andy
Appreciate your time sir. Like previously stated, I'm beginning to think that it's just the difference in how I was raised to be with firearms that's got me fired up. You will never hear of or see me personally pull a firearm on anyone or anything that isn't lifeless a split second later. I was taught from a young age not to EVER pull up on anything unless I intend to destroy it without doubt..
 
Burden of proof.....
Shooters: "We thought someone was throwing rocks trying to break in while we were house/cabin sitting and were in fear of being assaulted."
That's our story and we're sticking to it.

How does multiple agencies taking a report constitute proof?

The shooters must not be good shots if your friends lived to tell this feeble tale
PAX
I can assure, this is no feeble tale.
 
I can assure, this is no feeble tale.
What you've shared so far leaves more questions than answers though, the fact that there was no arrest or even citation indicates the police did not have enough evidence to work with. Its not unreasonable for a home owner to be fearful of someone on their property, warning shots are a very common response even if illegal and doesn't mean your friends were actually shot at. Ive had friends that have a low understanding of what private property means, walking up thru someones property even with good intentions doesn't mean it will be understood that way and is still trespassing, so far the only evidence presented of a crime. I think thats why most here suggest its not worth pursuing.
 
Is the high-water mark public property in Oregon? If so, why did the rockhounds decide to "warn" the homeowners of their presents, to case the presumed empty cabin. Knocking on the door to verify their presumption that no one was home...again. Maybe the shooters were asked to watch the place because they'd had trouble with break ins recently. Maybe that's why the LEO did nothing but take names and now your friends are suspected thieves. Maybe the shooters were grow patch security? Maybe they didn't get shot on purpose. Hard to miss with a shotty. Did you consider those angles? Rural dirt is prime pickens for rock gatherer types, just sayin, PAX
 
Is the high-water mark public property in Oregon?
My understanding is that is not public property per se, but the public can not be excluded from the area below the normal high water mark. However, they may not access the waterway through private property. So, if they were walking the river below the high water mark, and accessed that area from along the river, they would have been legal. But I don't think you can count on all waterfront landowners to understand this (or care).
 
My understanding is that is not public property per se, but the public can not be excluded from the area below the normal high water mark. However, they may not access the waterway through private property. So, if they were walking the river below the high water mark, and accessed that area from along the river, they would have been legal. But I don't think you can count on all waterfront landowners to understand this (or care).
I can also see the landowners feeling threatened by anyone walking up their property from any other direction than their driveway.
 
I also have a mostly hypothetical 2nd hand story regarding the use of deadly force that I chose to bring to this Usual Gang of Idiots for legal advice.

Any takers? :s0140:
 
It is based on perspective. Ask the shooters what they saw or how it occurred. It's all sketchy secondhand intel that's tough to corroborate or verify. PAX
Thx, it's not my deal really. I just know that if I run up on a couple of ppl n busted a drum outta my 12 in there direction which is (not likely), they'd have me waiting for a room upstate
I can also see the landowners feeling threatened by anyone walking up their property from any other direction than their driveway.
If it was the owners, for sure. But not the case here. Which is kinda what I told them. (Not the brightest idea to come up on a strangers land unannounced), but really that's due to unstable ppl that like to shoot first
Is the high-water mark public property in Oregon? If so, why did the rockhounds decide to "warn" the homeowners of their presents, to case the presumed empty cabin. Knocking on the door to verify their presumption that no one was home...again. Maybe the shooters were asked to watch the place because they'd had trouble with break ins recently. Maybe that's why the LEO did nothing but take names and now your friends are suspected thieves. Maybe the shooters were grow patch security? Maybe they didn't get shot on purpose. Hard to miss with a shotty. Did you consider those angles? Rural dirt is prime pickens for rock gatherer types, just sayin, PAX
All could be scenarios, but like I had stated I'm personally familiar with both parties. I'm just seeing it as hella reckless to the point that if someone was killed there's no way to prove it justified
 
Was someone killed? Wounded? None of those circumstances would have chit to do with you. Sounds like a vendetta between you and the shooters, since you know then so well. The key is what the LEOs did, nothin...the shooters cousin? Did you inquire why nothing was done? Again, your story is weak and biased. I'd like the shooters side..almost. PAX
 
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