Oregon Confused bout protecting property

[Koda]

If it was the owners, for sure. But not the case here. Which is kinda what I told them. (Not the brightest idea to come up on a strangers land unannounced), but really that's due to unstable ppl that like to shoot first

So whats the story of the people who shot? Were they staying the night? How do you know them personally?

 

[orygun]

Let's see here.
Trespassers didn't get the reception they wanted? Then maybe they shouldn't be trespassing? A couple of years ago I "escorted" three trespassers off of my property. They had buckets so were likely looking for mushrooms, but in reality they were wanting to steal items from my property. I would not have granted them access if they had asked before entering my property, but they sure as hell weren't going to be given access after I caught them. Like always I was armed and wouldn't have drawn my gun for merely trespassing, but if one of them had advanced on me, I'da poked a hole in him.
@Ni4ni Your friends did something stupid and illegal. You trying to justify their actions ain't gaining any traction on me.

 

[echo1]

Thx, it's not my deal really. I just know that if I run up on ppl....

If it was the owners, for sure. But not the case here.

All could be scenarios but like I had stated I'm personally familiar with both parties. I'm just seeing it as hella reckless to the point that if someone was killed there's no way to prove it justified

What you do or think has no bearing on this event in question.

Owner versus occupant makes a difference to you?

That's correct, if is used in the same connotation as maybe in these hypotheticals.

So, you're giving your possibility the greater probability?
Does that seem logical to you? PAX

 

[Stomper]

And again...
I am not trying to be or sound like a male appendage here...


Andy

Andy, if you're TRYING to NOT be a Sam Elliot grade mustache connected to untrimmed nose-hair.... keep practicing!

 

[Tlock]

Here we go again......discuss!

 

[Ni4ni]

Was someone killed? Wounded? None of those circumstances would have chit to do with you. Sounds like a vendetta between you and the shooters, since you know then so well. The key is what the LEOs did, nothin...the shooters cousin? Did you inquire why nothing was done? Again, your story is weak and biased. I'd like the shooters side..almost. PAX

Totally unbiased.. and just lookin for insight from others (as I am getting), and soaking it all in as well. I completely understand that Im likely not getting the story in it's entirety, but regardless still trying to see that lethal force was necessary and to be lawful in Oregon the threat of death or serious physical injury must be imminent and the force used must be proportional to the threat when resorting to lethal force. Which could be a possibility but I'm having to make myself really stretch outta what can be proven as facts to believe it is case. With the unknown as a defense to this it is as the fella has stated already in other comments, probably best for them to leave it be and not press the subject in a court of law

 

[Ni4ni]

It is based on perspective. Ask the shooters what they saw or how it occurred. It's all sketchy secondhand intel that's tough to corroborate or verify. PAX

Agree

 

[Ni4ni]

I also have a mostly hypothetical 2nd hand story regarding the use of deadly force that I chose to bring to this Usual Gang of Idiots for legal advice.

Any takers?

Really not looking for "legal advice" on the subject, just insight and maybe an understanding of a different outlook on situation so to not feel a certain way bout what my friends have gotten themselves into... If one seeks legitimate legal advice it would only make sense to fish in a forum that is made up of actual lawyers and professionals at law, which this isn't. Right

 

[Ni4ni]

Appreciate your time sir. Like previously stated, I'm beginning to think that it's just the difference in how I was raised to be with firearms that's got me fired up. You will never hear of or see me personally pull a firearm on anyone or anything that isn't lifeless a split second later. I was taught from a young age not to EVER pull up on anything unless I intend to destroy it without doubt..

So whats the story of the people who shot? Were they staying the night? How do you know them personally?

The folks that shot was not residence of said property, but live in the area. They expressed that they were stopping a crime from happening and upon seeing the ladie walk from porch after supposed knocking, they had assumed that she was coming from within the residence and obviously found it necessary to shoot now ask later. The residence was not entered and remained locked as it was later confirmed. There has been theft in the area for sure, this home happened to be unoccupied at the time of incident but don't mean a crime cannot be committed there ECT. We all grew up together to say the least, all locals, went to school with, worked for and with both party's pretty familiar with personality and mentality on both ends

 

[Ni4ni]

What you do or think has no bearing on this event in question.

Owner versus occupant makes a difference to you?

That's correct, if is used in the same connotation as maybe in these hypotheticals.

So, you're giving your possibility the greater probability?
Does that seem logical to you? PAX

I know that I've no bearing on the event in question, I'm engaging in convo to maybe understand my own or a different logic in the matter and maybe be an influence for action if necessary. From legal perspective, what makes it trespassing for some and not for others that are not legal owners of said property? Open to all angles but leant towards obvious

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Former White House resident joe biden said

"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house." "I promise you whoever's coming in is not gonna,"

You beat me to it!
The song version. Pretty creative. "Jill, buy a shotgun baby!"

View: https://youtu.be/F-mztxHgYQo?si=EQL2F9RMsnU92f07

 

[Spitpatch]

Really not looking for "legal advice" on the subject, just insight and maybe an understanding of a different outlook on situation so to not feel a certain way bout what my friends have gotten themselves into... If one seeks legitimate legal advice it would only make sense to fish in a forum that is made up of actual lawyers and professionals at law, which this isn't. Right

"I've been searching for advice to help convince a couple of friends that they should pursue charges..."

I apologize if I misinterpreted what I thought was a rather direct and clear opening phrase (and completely devoid of any reference to "insight" and "understanding").

In the future I will discipline myself to be aware that "advice" toward "pursuing charges" carries no relation to seeking legal advice, and refers only to an exercise toward personal enlightenment.

 

[Mikej]

That's it! Get the HIT COUNT UP!!

Letsee if we can get 6 pages by noon!

 

[Spitpatch]

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[Andy54Hawken]

I was trying to stay away...
However curiosity has won out.

If you know everyone involved here why.....
Don't you talk with them....?

Maybe even have them all sit down together...without trespassing or firearms...
And have them explain themselves to each other....?

That is ...if everyone is willing to do so.

In any event...And perhaps most importantly....

No matter what you think you friends should do...as in regarding pressing charges of some kind...
It ain't up to you to decide for them...or for you to try to convince them to do something , they may not want to do.

What you like...what you want...is excellent for you...but may not be for someone else.
To be blunt...real life ain't Burger King....you won't always have it your way.

It might be wise to ask yourself...why...
As in why is this so important to you...how is this going to affect you....what difference does it make to you....?

At the end of the day...
Even if you don't like what happened...it didn't happen to you.
Let it go... move on....drop it...forget about it.....etc ...etc...
Life will go on....and there are plenty of other things out there to get worked up about.

And with that...I really and truly am done here.
Andy

 

[echo1]

I know that I've no bearing on the event in question, I'm engaging in convo to maybe understand my own or a different logic in the matter and maybe be an influence for action if necessary. From legal perspective, what makes it trespassing for some and not for others that are not legal owners of said property? Open to all angles but leant towards obvious

Permission if given, was it?

Does Oregon have any "Good Samaritan" verbiage in their regs?

The folks that shot was not residence of said property, but live in the area. They expressed that they were stopping a crime from happening and upon seeing the ladie walk from porch after supposed knocking, they had assumed that she was coming from within the residence and obviously found it necessary to shoot now ask later. The residence was not entered and remained locked as it was later confirmed. There has been theft in the area for sure, this home happened to be unoccupied at the time of incident but don't mean a crime cannot be committed there ECT. We all grew up together to say the least, all locals, went to school with, worked for and with both party's pretty familiar with personality and mentality on both ends

You never mention that tidbit of information. That must be what they told the LEO, they thought she was a burglar. You say everybody knows everybody. Does she have criminal history, and would the shooters have known if they recognized her?

BTW I too believe you shouldn't be shooting AT folks (and no one was shot), but I'm not opposed to warning shots, like the Prez. PAX

 

[Koda]

From legal perspective, what makes it trespassing for some and not for others that are not legal owners of said property? Open to all angles but leant towards obvious

Permission to be there. Its that simple.
Eg, the people walking up from the river did not have permission to be on the property, they were trespassing, a crime.

 

[Ni4ni]

"I've been searching for advice to help convince a couple of friends that they should pursue charges..."

I apologize if I misinterpreted what I thought was a rather direct and clear opening phrase (and completely devoid of any reference to "insight" and "understanding").

In the future I will discipline myself to be aware that "advice" toward "pursuing charges" carries no relation to seeking legal advice, and refers only to an exercise toward personal enlightenment.

Check it out, when I originally made this post my mindset was different on the matter as I'd not been persuaded, enlightened, swayed. So as the winds of change had gusted so has the my motive for post... Maybe I should edit so to not confuse right?

 

[Ni4ni]

Permission to be there. Its that simple.
Eg, the people walking up from the river did not have permission to be on the property, they were trespassing, a crime.

Permission to be there. Its that simple.
Eg, the people walking up from the river did not have permission to be on the property, they were trespassing, a crime.

Agree trespassing is a crime, and both party's could easily be guilty of that crime. Playing hero don't give immunity. Neither does ignorance on the other hand

 

[Ni4ni]

Permission if given, was it?

Does Oregon have any "Good Samaritan" verbiage in their regs?


You never mention that tidbit of information. That must be what they told the LEO, they thought she was a burglar. You say everybody knows everybody. Does she have criminal history, and would the shooters have known if they recognized her?

BTW I too believe you shouldn't be shooting AT folks (and no one was shot), but I'm not opposed to warning shots, like the Prez. PAX

Not sure, I've never heard of that myself. sry but I'm still acquiring info as well. I couldn't answer the last half of question. But putting myself in that situation, witnessing a small woman walk off a porch and away from a residence might alarm to point of aproach, but not a 0-100 kinda deal (my opinion)