Concealed is concealed, open carry is not

[The Heretic]

The offender has no compunction nor hesitation about a quick grab that can take place at any time. The offense nearly always has the advantage because theirs is the choice of time, place and target.

This is the point I was trying to make in the thread about the cat converter thief who was covering the house with a gun; he had already made the first offensive move.

I would not and should not wait for him to make yet another move in order to know his intentions - they were already very clear. A bunch of excuses about whether the gun was real, whether it was loaded, whether he was just pointing at the house in general or the people inside, was just that; excuses - all of which are bovine fecal matter.

The same kind of excuses people make when some guy gets shot after assaulting someone; "oh he was such a good boy", "trying to get his life straightened out", "he didn't mean any harm".

Once someone steps over that line, they have forfeited any right to the benefit of doubt as to their intentions and one must act with speed and certainty.

 

[gmerkt]

This is the point I was trying to make in the thread about the cat converter thief who was covering the house with a gun; he had already made the first offensive move.

The difference being, with the cat converter thief, the defender looked out the window and had foreknowledge of the situation and could decide his next move on that basis. Whatever it was going to be. In the case at hand, the victim had no way of knowing the intentions of the perp because he had not yet acted.

 

[Catfishmoon]

To me the point of this video is simply a thief in action. In this instance a pistol was the item stolen from a seemingly law abiding citizen, it just as easily could have been her purse. While I would not carry a firearm in that manner, I put none of the blame on the victim... Kind of like blaming the reason a woman was raped, not on the rapist, but on the attire of the female.
The problem with our society is there are thieves, the solution should not be that everyone else needs to take extra precaution to safeguard their possessions.

 

[1775usmc]

To me the point of this video is simply a thief in action. In this instance a pistol was the item stolen from a seemingly law abiding citizen, it just as easily could have been her purse. While I would not carry a firearm in that manner, I put none of the blame on the victim... Kind of like blaming the reason a woman was raped, not on the rapist, but on the attire of the female.
The problem with our society is there are thieves, the solution should not be that everyone else needs to take extra precaution to safeguard their possessions.

Actions have consequences unfortunately. I put a decent amount of blame on the victim as well as the thief. No, it shouldn't happen. But there are significant ways to protect one's self from keeping these things from happening.

That's like saying I shouldn't lock my car at night. If I leave it unlocked and someone goes through it and takes a personal article of mine is it my fault it was stolen? Technically no. But if I was at all aware of my situation I would lock my car and take all items of value inside. We all have resources and can adapt a mindset to protect ourselves, others and property.

If we are going to put our faith that the human race will do the correct thing we will end up
F—ked. Period.

 

[Catfishmoon]

Actions have consequences unfortunately. I put a decent amount of blame on the victim as well as the thief. No, it shouldn't happen. But there are significant ways to protect one's self from keeping these things from happening.

That's like saying I shouldn't lock my car at night. If I leave it unlocked and someone goes through it and takes a personal article of mine is it my fault it was stolen? Technically no. But if I was at all aware of my situation I would lock my car and take all items of value inside. We all have resources and can adapt a mindset to protect ourselves, others and property.

If we are going to put our faith that the human race will do the correct thing we will end up
F—ked. Period.

Theft of catalytic converters from cars seems to be currently popular, but I am not willing to put the blame on the vehicle owner. It could be suggested that they are at partial fault for not parking inside a garage to safeguard their property.
One can continue down the rabbit hole by saying the vehicle owner is responsible for a security system on the garage to keep the catalytic converter safe from thieves...
We can all take more steps to prevent theft, but I put the blame on the thief...
No, I am not naive enough to trust much of society, I just hate thieves and I am not willing to absolve them for any percentage of the decision they solely made.

 

[Certaindeaf]

 

[1775usmc]

Open carry is actually pretty smart. I have changed my mind.

 

[BlindedByScience]

In this guy's opinion, A weapon in an open carry situation looks like one thing to a determined thief - an opportunity. Throw a little meth into the situation and you've got a wired, crazy person that's seeing hundreds of dollars there for the taking. Also, if a situation develops, the element of surprise as the weapon clears leather isn't to be under rated. That's why I always carry concealed.

Yes, LEO's "open carry" but they use (or damn well should be using) retention holsters, with a thick, secure belt. This combination, with decent situational awareness, will largely prevent 'snatch and grab' attempts.

As they say, one man's opinion......

 

[dan50]

I've personally got no problem with open carrying but it's all about the situation. When I do open carry I do use a retention holster and I'm also very much so aware that that gun is going to get a lot of attention so I'm always on high alert. Looking at this video I don't think she meant for it to be in the open, I think her hoodie is pulled up. I often carry a snub 357 appendix without a holster but I used to Cary it in a holster in the small of my back like she is until one day my shirt had pulled up and I didn't notice until the guy behind me in a mini mart mentioned it. I think the take away from this is if your gonna carry concealed don't get complacent about making sure it stays concealed. I get a lot more complacent when I think nobody can see it.

 

[titsonritz]

Open carrying a firearm is pretty much the best way to get the immediate attention of everyone around you, which is exactly what you don't want when it comes to protecting yourself.

Actually, most people are totally oblivious to it.

 

[L84Cabo]

That woman is apparently an off duty NYPD police officer, according to the title on this video. She's lucky she wasn't shot.

Begs the question...does NYPD provide any training to their officers or is she really just this stupid?

Also consider that this may be the quality of the person coming to save you should you ever dial 911.

 

[1775usmc]

That woman is apparently an off duty NYPD police officer, according to the title on this video. She's lucky she wasn't shot.

Begs the question...does NYPD provide any training to their officers or is she really just this stupid?

Also consider that this may be the quality of the person coming to save you should you ever dial 911.

That's a scary thought….

 

[The Heretic]

That woman is apparently an off duty NYPD police officer, according to the title on this video. She's lucky she wasn't shot.

Begs the question...does NYPD provide any training to their officers or is she really just this stupid?

Also consider that this may be the quality of the person coming to save you should you ever dial 911.

Much better view than the video I posted.

It did look like she had maybe had her hoodie partly covering the gun, and therefore maybe was not aware it was uncovered - as someone else mentioned. Also in that view you can see what looks like collaboration with the guy who left first, and then them leaving in the car.

What it looked like to me was that she may have also tried to get something else after the gun was taken - maybe a second gun? Or was she trying to get the gun that had been taken, being unaware that the criminal had already taken it? Not sure what the struggle was all about if he already had the gun?

 

[L84Cabo]

Much better view than the video I posted.

It did look like she had maybe had her hoodie partly covering the gun, and therefore maybe was not aware it was uncovered - as someone else mentioned. Also in that view you can see what looks like collaboration with the guy who left first, and then them leaving in the car.

What it looked like to me was that she may have also tried to get something else after the gun was taken - maybe a second gun? Or was she trying to get the gun that had been taken, being unaware that the criminal had already taken it? Not sure what the struggle was all about if he already had the gun?

I can't tell for sure...But it sure looks like the gun was tucked into a pocket and not in an actual holster...let alone a retention holster.

And yea, I'm sure the jacket was supposed to be covering the gun. But that whole setup is just a horrible choice. The jacket isn't even close to being long enough to offer proper coverage. Then she's completely unaware of her surroundings and the people around her...because she's EFF'ing around on her phone and not paying attention.

 

[1775usmc]

I can't tell for sure...But it sure looks like the gun was tucked into a pocket and not in an actual holster...let alone a retention holster.

And yea, I'm sure the jacket was supposed to be covering the gun. But that whole setup is just a horrible choice. The jacket isn't even close to being long enough to offer proper coverage. Then she's completely unaware of her surroundings and the people around her...because she's EFF'ing around on her phone and not paying attention.

You mean tucking your gun in the back of your yoga pants isn't retention?

 

[Knobgoblin]

I can't tell for sure...But it sure looks like the gun was tucked into a pocket and not in an actual holster...let alone a retention holster.

And yea, I'm sure the jacket was supposed to be covering the gun. But that whole setup is just a horrible choice. The jacket isn't even close to being long enough to offer proper coverage. Then she's completely unaware of her surroundings and the people around her...because she's EFF'ing around on her phone and not paying attention.

Defunded departments just hiring anyone these days. Lol

She had her gun where her comm link used to ride back in the Wendy's drive thru days.

 

[rupey7]

Defunded departments just hiring anyone these days. Lol

She had her gun where her comm link used to ride back in the Wendy's drive thru days.

Only thing missing in that video was the chanting: Jerry-Jerry-Jerry!

 

[sobo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/comments/srmi2n

Absolutely ZERO situational awareness exhibited by this woman... hands full, talking on phone, cover garment (if you could even call it that) had hiked up exposing what should have been a concealed firearm. She went 0 for 3...

 

[arakboss]

We should probably just add open carry to the list of approved infringments, since it is so dumb.

 

[sobo]

The problem with our society is there are thieves, the solution should not be that everyone else needs to take extra precaution to safeguard their possessions.

With respect, then what would you suggest?

I think you are rose-colored-glasses wrong on the emphasized point above. I would agree that in a safe and just world, we should not have to take extra precautions to preserve our lives and possessions. However, the truth of the matter is that we do not live in a safe and just world. Therefore, the only alternative, short of incarcerating (or even executing) every lawbreaking malcontent, is to take sufficient precautions to safeguard ourselves and our possessions.

Do you lock your front door at night?