Concealed is concealed, open carry is not

[The Heretic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/comments/srmi2n

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[4x401]

That's the biggest reason I'm not a fan of open carry.
That's what will happen if you're not using some kind of retention holster (like LEO), and is dangerous for everyone in proximity.

 

[papersoldier]

Open carrying a firearm is pretty much the best way to get the immediate attention of everyone around you, which is exactly what you don't want when it comes to protecting yourself.

 

[1775usmc]

Open carry is stupid. Don't do it.

 

[4x401]

Open carry is stupid. Don't do it.

Well, not unless you're at a Texas BBQ...

 

[crstrode]

Open carry is stupid. Don't do it.

Does your opinion apply to the 99% of Cops that open carry?

 

[Koda]

Does your opinion apply to the 99% of Cops that open carry?

I cant imagine comparing the role of the armed citizen to the role of the police. What does police open carrying have to do with validating the idea of armed citizens open carrying?

 

[1775usmc]

Does your opinion apply to the 99% of Cops that open carry?

 

[Xaevian]

Oh, goodie, another CC vs OC thread. Wonder if we will learn something new?

 

[slimmer13]

Open carry is stupid. Don't do it.

I think blanket statements are dumb.

My opinion is that OC can be dumb in certain circumstances, but a perfectly reasonable choice in others. I'll leave it to the individual to decide that those circumstances are.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Yikes !
With that said...
How many people open carry / carry like the gal did in the video , everyday ..and nothing like this happens..?
If you look long enough you will find plenty of evidence to make your case for just about anything.

And with that said...yes the manner shown in the video was not safe or workable.
However , that does not mean that open carry is never a good way to carry.
It does show that it did not work in case for the OP.

Please note that I am not for or against open carry.
I am for carrying in a manner / method that is safe and workable for you and your situation.
Something to consider here , is that the manner and or method you choose may be safe and workable for one situation...
But not for another.
Andy

 

[Certaindeaf]

If it had some bling she'll face an attractive nuisance charge.


Probably

 

[4x401]

I'll leave it to the individual to decide that those circumstances are.

And there in lies the rub...

Common sense is an oxymoron.

 

[Nosferatu]

Back in the late 90's, I had a cell phone stripped from me in similar fashion. It was one of those giant brick phones that you clipped to your belt. A guy grabbed it and took off. Luckily, this was in the height of my hockey and shootfighting days, so I was in a lot better shape than he was. After a short chase, he ended up unconscious on the floor.

But, it made me rethink how I carry stuff and my own situational awareness. Nothing gets clipped to my belt externally anymore that isn't covered.

 

[The Heretic]

As I said, concealed is concealed, and open is not

You make the choice, but I do think open carry to "make a point" about the Second Amendment is just plain dumb - IMO.

It is your right to do dumb things - if they don't harm other people. It is my right to think or even say that it is dumb.

I don't know why this woman open carried, but I think that in her case, where she was and how she did it, it was not wise - to say the least.

Yes, there are times when open carry makes sense, but in an urban setting in a convenience store, not a nice neighborhood where some "yute"/et. al. would be tempted, or somewhere that it causes Karens and/or Kens to call the police, is not one of them.

I might open carry when hiking, hunting, at the range, on my wooded rural property, etc., where it makes sense and I am not going to cause problems by doing so - otherwise, concealed is usually a better option.

 

[Astoria9mm]

the only time I open carry is at the range or on my own property.

 

[gmerkt]

I only open carry when I'm out in the woods shooting recreationally. When I'm doing that, I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THAT I'M CARRYING. It might make the difference in somebody trying to jump me for my stuff. Otherwise, I'm not interested in doing it. For some of the reasons already stated above.

Re. the incident at hand, how embarrassing and humiliating to get disarmed like that. Doesn't that fall into the category of "getting punked?" Not making a value judgement, but the fact that the victim was a woman may have made her a more tempting target.

 

[Koda]

Re. the incident at hand, how embarrassing and humiliating to get disarmed like that.

Im guessing thats what some mean by saying open carry is stupid. People can debate all they want about the merits of open carry in an urban environment but in the end they can all be easily disarmed and that will never change.

 

[Stomper]

If it had some bling she'll face an attractive nuisance charge.


Probably

This is a clear case of "over/under"…. small of back carry over her butt-shelf, or appendix carry under her gut-croppin'…… my guess is she kept her shooter next to her wallet where she could reach it easier from over her shoulder.

 

[gmerkt]

People can debate all they want about the merits of open carry in an urban environment but in the end they can all be easily disarmed and that will never change.

It's the classic juxtaposition of offense vs. defense. The defender is ever waiting for the first move. The offender has no compunction nor hesitation about a quick grab that can take place at any time. The offense nearly always has the advantage because theirs is the choice of time, place and target.

Was the vic wearing elastic waist band tights? I can't tell for sure in the video. If so, they aren't the best way to anchor a carried firearm. I've got an IWB paddle-type holster that doesn't take a belt threaded through a loop. But the design of it is such that I have a difficult time pulling it off when I want to take it off.

After watching the video a couple of more times, it does seem that the vic had some situational awareness; she's looking around, facing out. Up until she needs to engage the cashier. Then she drops her guard. And, she's on the phone, big distraction. She was wary in a general sense, maybe, but didn't suspect imminent danger. The other guy who is in the store, who pays then slowly leaves, he also looks her over before he goes out the door. The gun grabber (literally) then runs out and a car is seen driving away. It's possible that those two guys were working this boost together. They may have observered her carrying before she got into the store.

One other thing, I don't like that small of the back carry, too inconvenient for defense. More for the offense, I'd think.