Chaos at the range

[Spitpatch]

This isn't about gun range etiquette.

Bingo. Most call it common courtesy. The consideration you extend to people you don't even know because they are people. My Mom called it "makin' your manners."

...and if you didn't make 'em when the opportunity presented itself, you got popped in the back of the head, or the Crushing Vulcan Pinch on your shoulder.

I guess some adults were raised different. When they exhibit this inconsiderate behavior (whether at the gun range or the dinner table or playing tiddly winks) the rest of us recognize them for what they are.

 

[Indy62]

Bingo. Most call it common courtesy. The consideration you extend to people you don't even know because they are people. My Mom called it "makin' your manners."

...and if you didn't make 'em when the opportunity presented itself, you got popped in the back of the head, or the Crushing Vulcan Pinch on your shoulder.

I guess some adults were raised different. When they exhibit this behavior (whether at the gun range or the dinner table or playing tiddly winks) the rest of us recognize them for what they are.

Yeah but unfortunately the OP is proud of his sociopathy..so what can you do about that? Nothing really..it'll just work itself out over time I suppose.

 

[Spitpatch]

Yeah but unfortunately the OP is proud of his sociopathy..so what can you do about that? Nothing really..it'll just work itself out over time I suppose.

I try to avoid the psycho-babble labels, since I'm not qualified to use them, but if we exchange sociopath for the colloquial expression for a Rectum, you will have also noticed a small cadre of others that righteously gravitated toward the original.

I said raised "different" (not different-ly), referring to what they are, not how they might have become that.

 

[Indy62]

Okay guys. Enough with the thread drift. Let's get back to @Indy62 post#89 where he left out the wife's second bathroom trip after finding her purse.

My wife is blond, so I assume she does blond things in there..

 

[arakboss]

Apparently it got 4 pages of attention, so there is that.

I think everyone is missing the real point here...
@wired I fault you for not utilizing a suppressor, but understand if you just didn't feel like it that day. Not saying that is the end all or would make it totally safe, but it would make it a little better. I think we all deserve another video in which you're using a suppressed rifle.

It's all about encouraging engagement and this thread has done that.

 

[RedRover]

What I would have chosen to do in this situation...

Having recognized that there looked to still be guest observers without proper PPE after having announced "Range is Hot", before firing, I would have made a 2nd announcement: "I'm about to dump a mag, Y'all GTG?"

I prefer to be a positive ambassador of the hobby/sport; especially to potential newcomers. It's my belief as a responsible firearm user, and member/participant of an unsupervised private range to act as a defacto RSO for those potentially new to/unfamiliar with Gun Range Protocol.

But, that's me. I prefer not to be a dick if it isn't warranted.

 

[TTSX]

What a soft, milquetoast world we live in these days.

 

[Indy62]

What a soft, milquetoast world we live in these days.

Heh..I usually don't have to look a word up..like ever..

But that one got me. You sir, are a sesquipedalian!

 

[Joe13]

Nice = meek/timid?

Interesting.

Never been called meek or timid or anything resembling that but I've been called nice, polite and courteous quite a bit in my life.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

It is wise to not mistake someone being polite for also being timid.

It costs you nothing to be courteous ....However it can be priceless to those who you are courteous to.

Also...in regards to 'dicks"...
Just 'cause ya got one...doesn't mean ya need to be one...
Andy

 

[Tlock]

I was taught from a young age to treat people the way you want to be treated! That's someone's daughter, mother, grandma, gramps and always treat folks the way I'd want someone to treat my grandpa or grandma or mom or dad. I'm not a master of words like young @Andy54Hawken but you get the point

 

[Spitpatch]

I was taught from a young age to treat people the way you want to be treated! That's someone's daughter, mother, grandma, gramps and always treat folks the way I'd want someone to treat my grandpa or grandma or mom or dad. I'm not a master of words like young @Andy54Hawken but you get the point

Makin' Manners. Some do. Some don't.

 

[TTSX]

Heh..I usually don't have to look a word up..like ever..

But that one got me. You sir, are a sesquipedalian!

I wasn't born in Italy

 

[Spitpatch]

I wasn't born in Italy

Well, then, what exactly DID happen in Italy?

 

[Bobbygun]

Also...in regards to 'dicks"...

When it comes to biggest, sometimes folks confuse "who has" with "who is". Not saying that's ever happened to me of course.

 

[washagonian]

Here's what I was trained to do decades ago and what I follow to this day. Also, this is codified in the operational procedures of the private range I belong to now - it has been similarly codified in the operational manuals of every other range I've belonged to. I would venture to say that the following protocol is universally accepted in the firearms world.

If there is no Range Safety Officer present, and If I am the person calling the range "cold" or "hot" - I am the person in control of the range for that time period and as such, I am responsible for all aspects of safety during that particular instance - the moment of calling the range either cold or hot.

To that end, it is my responsibility to make sure that BEFORE I call the range "cold", I have spoken to everyone on the firing line, made sure everyone agreed to go cold, that their firearms are chamber flagged and that everyone had stepped back from the firing-line / shooting table/bench and no firearms are being handled. Only then would I call the range "cold". This is what an RSO would do. Because there is no RSO present - I am the defacto RSO.

After conducting whatever I (and others) needed to do while the range was cold (e.g., hang targets, collect your targets stands to leave, or whatever), I am still in control of the range. I can either pass off control to another person (because I'm packed up and leaving), or maintain control of the range and be the person to call the range HOT. Before I call a range hot, I check with everyone on the line to make sure they are ready for the range to go hot - including having their ear protection on. Only when I'm sure that everyone is safe, will I call the range "hot".

When I'm in control of the range by calling "cold / hot" - I am ultimately responsible for the safety of everyone. Yes, people are responsible for knowing the range rules and regulations and operational procedures, but it is not uncommon for people to not be paying attention. Plenty of times I've been shooting the bull with another shooter while the range is cold and not been paying attention. The person in control of the range has had to walk over to me and my conversation partner and catch our attention and confirm that we were ready to go hot.

So, if I am going to take on the responsibility to call the range "cold / hot", then it's also my responsibility to make sure I get everyone's attention to make sure that they are safe in that particular instance.

This is pretty standard practice for us old-timers. But new shooters often have never learned this range etiquette / safety procol - often because they've never been trained. Even at my own range (which has a 6-hour new member orientation), new shooters still don't follow this safety protocol (i.e., during a cold range they stay at the shooting bench and are manipulating their firearm, or they walk to the tables at the back wall and start manipulating another firearm (loading, unloading, adjusting red-dots, or whatever). Part of my responsibility at my club - when I see stuff like this - is to tactfully explain why what they are doing is a safety concern that was covered in the orientation and codified in the range's operational manual.

Just my opinion and personal practice.

TWYLALTR.

Cheers.

 

[TTSX]

Well, then, what exactly DID happen in Italy?

 

[washagonian]

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[Spitpatch]

Here's what I was trained to do decades ago and what I follow to this day. Also, this is codified in the operational procedures of the private range I belong to now - it it has been similarly codified in the operational manuals of every other range I've belonged to. I would venture to say that the following protocol is universally accepted in the firearms world.

If there is no Range Safety Officer present, and If I am the person calling the range "cold" or "hot" - I am the person in control of the range for that time period and as such, I am responsibility for all aspects of safety during that particular instance - the moment of calling the range either cold or hot.

To that end, it is my responsibility to make sure that BEFORE I call the range "cold", I have spoken to everyone on the firing line, made sure everyone agreed to go cold, that their firearms are chamber flagged and that everyone had stepped back from the firing-line / shooting table/bench and no firearms are being handled. Only then would I call the range "cold". This is what an RSO would do. Because there is no RSO present - I am the defacto RSO.

After conducting whatever I (and others) needed to do while the range was cold (e.g., hang targets, collect your targets stands to leave, or whatever), I am still in control of the range. I can either pass off control to another person (because I'm packed up and leaving), or maintain control of the range and be the person to call the range HOT. Before I call a range hot, I check with everyone on the line to make sure they are ready for the range to go hot - including having their ear protection on. Only when I'm sure that everyone is safe, will I call the range "hot".

When I'm in control of the range by calling "cold / hot" - I am ultimately responsible for the safety of everyone. Yes, people are responsible for knowing the range rules and regulations and operational procedures, but it is not uncommon for people to not be paying attention. Plenty of times I've been shooting the bull with another shooter while the range is cold and not been paying attention. The person in control of the range has had to walk over to me and my conversation partner and catch our attention and confirm that we were ready to go hot.

So, if I am going to take on the responsibility to call the range "cold / hot", then it's also my responsibility to make sure I get everyone's attention to make sure that they are safe in that particular instance.

This is pretty standard practice for us old-timers. But new shooters often have never learned this range etiquette / safety procol - often because they've never been trained. Even at my own range (which has a 6-hour new member orientation), new shooters still don't follow this safety protocol (i.e., during a cold range they stay at the shooting bench and are manipulating their firearm, or they walk to the tables at the back wall and start manipulating another firearm (loading, unloading, adjusting red-dots, or whatever). Part of my responsibility at my club - when I see stuff like this - is to tactfully explain why what they are doing is a safety concern that was covered in the orientation and codified in the range's operational manual.

Just my opinion and personal practice.

TWYLALTR.

Cheers.

"Well, yeah, but that...um...like would require interaction and communication (sent AND received) with another human being.

Ya don' unnerstan'.

I gotta "Mag ta Dump"!

They was girls! Think I ever warned my girl I was gunna dump? Huh?"

 

[Bobbygun]

(which has a 6-hour new member orientation)

When I bought the "Gun of the Year" at a Friends of NRA banquet about 17 years ago, it came with a certificate for a free one-year membership to a local gun club. After going through the new member orientation, I never went back. They had enough rules to suck the fun right out of shooting there. I believe I'm a very safe shooter - drilled into me at an early age by my father. As we try to recruit more shooters into the fold, I wonder how much a 6-hour new member orientation hurts the cause.