Chaos at the range

[wired]

It may be a suprise to you, but some of us in the lil ol'' PNW have been outside of our safe little bubbles; having experienced the wild world abroad.
Some of us also have enough situational awareness to know that a mag is still inserted into the well when doing a mag change.

Got tied up starting the camera

 

[Tlock]

I'm telling you.

Best thread in months.


Eat your heart out @arakboss

Still doesn't top "discuss"

 

[Tlock]

Got tied up starting the camera

I can honestly say I have never recorded myself in any outdoor activities......for good reason too! I'd probably be snuffed out by peda or defenders of mother earth by now

 

[Knobgoblin]

It may be a suprise to you, but some of us in the lil ol'' PNW have been outside of our safe little bubbles; having experienced the wild world abroad.
Some of us also have enough situational awareness to know that a mag is still inserted into the well when doing a mag change.

Sure thing Clark.

 

[wired]

I can honestly say I have never recorded myself in any outdoor activities......for good reason too! I'd probably be snuffed out by peda or defenders of mother earth by now

Same reason I don't run for office . "It's HIM"

 

[Bobbygun]

Still doesn't top "discuss"

There's still time.

 

[Tlock]

There's still time.

Let's hope! I'm just sitting here in my pickup waiting for my water to finish so I can start another 12 pull. I have time!

 

[WillametteWill]

And what's your point Will? That there were girls on a range that do girl things?

And Mr Big Bad boomer guy with the "machine gun" made us cry?

Alotta old guys around here like to make girls cry..

Lemme search for the threads..

I'm on your side. My point is not everyone is range savvy and may not be as attentive as gun people. The people they are with should be doing a better job watching for them, but I still make sure everyone around is safe, has ear pro on, and will provide a kind reminder if needed. I was just using an over-the-top silly example to show perspectives are different.

And before someone shouts full metal sexist at me, of course women belong at the range. The nail sillyness was just a build from the OP. My 5'2" wife just spent the last two days at a hunting workshop firing off 165 rounds of 30-06, while the men on the range hid behind their six-fives and 308s (more joking, except she really did touch off 160+ '06 rounds).

 

[Jade Falcon]

I thought Communists were supposed to be thin?

 

[FATAL125]

Still doesn't top "discuss"

Which one...

 

[Tlock]

Which one...

Any of his posts! I miss that guy

 

[MikeInOr]

Ive been at this gun range before and had people walk out onto the range to check their targets WHILE PEOPLE WERE SHOOTING .

I have had that happen too. I yell "CEASE FIRE IMEADIATELY, DOWN RANGE!!!" at the top of my lungs which everyone has always been to hear. I get a few dirty looks from other shooters until they see they the person 10 or 20 yards in front of the line. I never have to say anything to the person headed down range, they get it after that. Me being an bubblegum about it to them doesn't help anything.

When I am at the range giving commands I yell them again directly at anyone that I don't think got them the first time until I at least get eye contact. It really doesn't take that much effort to not be an bubblegum hole.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Any of his posts! I miss that guy

This guy?


You miss this guy?

 

[gearhead]

@wired
I grew up in SC until I was 10, then moved to NC until I was 19. As such I consider myself a resident of both, and can confidently state that the only difference between the two is a slightly different breed of redneck. I have to ask in all honesty and half jest: are you honestly surprised by that level of retardation at a SC gun range? Maddening? Absolutely. Abnormal? Meh. After dealing with the Carolinas and Florida (I've had loaded guns pointed at me in two of those states),I refuse to hunt public land or visit ranges without RSO's. Too many room temperature IQ's.

 

[FATAL125]

Any of his posts! I miss that guy

FATAL agrees...

He was taken from us too soon...

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Having dealt with gangs enough to have had a bounty on my head and lived through a formal apology and receiving formal lifetime protection from one of the nation's largest gangs in LA, I feel I am moderately experienced with gangs. I even had a street name. I've totally been in the position where I give shooting advice to banger looking types. I also have helped get them into college and parenting classes.

But Wired's story rings about how I would expect interactions to go. Then again, while I don't look it, my history involves a lot of time spent on the street and later with street kids. I still work with that population. Most of the PNW wouldn't know a gang if they shot them in the butt.

 

[Flopsweat]

Here's what I was trained to do decades ago and what I follow to this day. Also, this is codified in the operational procedures of the private range I belong to now - it it has been similarly codified in the operational manuals of every other range I've belonged to. I would venture to say that the following protocol is universally accepted in the firearms world.

If there is no Range Safety Officer present, and If I am the person calling the range "cold" or "hot" - I am the person in control of the range for that time period and as such, I am responsibility for all aspects of safety during that particular instance - the moment of calling the range either cold or hot.

To that end, it is my responsibility to make sure that BEFORE I call the range "cold", I have spoken to everyone on the firing line, made sure everyone agreed to go cold, that their firearms are chamber flagged and that everyone had stepped back from the firing-line / shooting table/bench and no firearms are being handled. Only then would I call the range "cold". This is what an RSO would do. Because there is no RSO present - I am the defacto RSO.

After conducting whatever I (and others) needed to do while the range was cold (e.g., hang targets, collect your targets stands to leave, or whatever), I am still in control of the range. I can either pass off control to another person (because I'm packed up and leaving), or maintain control of the range and be the person to call the range HOT. Before I call a range hot, I check with everyone on the line to make sure they are ready for the range to go hot - including having their ear protection on. Only when I'm sure that everyone is safe, will I call the range "hot".

When I'm in control of the range by calling "cold / hot" - I am ultimately responsible for the safety of everyone. Yes, people are responsible for knowing the range rules and regulations and operational procedures, but it is not uncommon for people to not be paying attention. Plenty of times I've been shooting the bull with another shooter while the range is cold and not been paying attention. The person in control of the range has had to walk over to me and my conversation partner and catch our attention and confirm that we were ready to go hot.

So, if I am going to take on the responsibility to call the range "cold / hot", then it's also my responsibility to make sure I get everyone's attention to make sure that they are safe in that particular instance.

This is pretty standard practice for us old-timers. But new shooters often have never learned this range etiquette / safety procol - often because they've never been trained. Even at my own range (which has a 6-hour new member orientation), new shooters still don't follow this safety protocol (i.e., during a cold range they stay at the shooting bench and are manipulating their firearm, or they walk to the tables at the back wall and start manipulating another firearm (loading, unloading, adjusting red-dots, or whatever). Part of my responsibility at my club - when I see stuff like this - is to tactfully explain why what they are doing is a safety concern that was covered in the orientation and codified in the range's operational manual.

Just my opinion and personal practice.

TWYLALTR.

Cheers.

Perfect.


Note: I'm 8 pages in and I'm done reading, so if anybody said this already, sorry.

The above rules are very similar to the rules at my range. This incident couldn't have happened without someone getting reported and possibly kicked out of the club.

An AR15 fired 8 feet away from you can cause permanent hearing damage. You're not just being inconsiderate; you're deliberately doing irreversible harm to people out of spite.

I have no idea if our friend is a sociopath, but I can tell you from being around narcissists for several years, I see a lot of red flags for narcissism.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Perfect.


Note: I'm 8 pages in and I'm done reading, so if anybody said this already, sorry.

The above rules are very similar to the rules at my range. This incident couldn't have happened without someone getting reported and possibly kicked out of the club.

An AR15 fired 8 feet away from you can cause permanent hearing damage. You're not just being inconsiderate; you're deliberately doing irreversible harm to people out of spite.

I have no idea if our friend is a sociopath, but I can tell you from being around narcissists for several years, I see a lot of red flags for narcissism.

 

[TTSX]

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Hugh's bris was definitely a mistake. He didn't have the spare sausage to donate

 

[Tlock]

Perfect.


Note: I'm 8 pages in and I'm done reading, so if anybody said this already, sorry.

The above rules are very similar to the rules at my range. This incident couldn't have happened without someone getting reported and possibly kicked out of the club.

An AR15 fired 8 feet away from you can cause permanent hearing damage. You're not just being inconsiderate; you're deliberately doing irreversible harm to people out of spite.

I have no idea if our friend is a sociopath, but I can tell you from being around narcissists for several years, I see a lot of red flags for narcissism.

What I can't hear you!