C and R License

[jimmyb]

I applied for a Curios and Relics license yesterday, most of the firearms that I purchase fits this category. Anyone old this license have any pointers / experience. Seems to be pretty straight forward.

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[User 1234]

Just keep your logbook in good order. Watch your wallet!

 

[CountryGent]

@User 1234 nailed it.

Keep your records straight, which is stupid easy. I had a BATFE examination with one of my C&R licenses, but it was a nothing . I never had one as a 01FFL dealer. The odds of you being examined as a 03FFL is more than winning the lottery, but not wildly so. I got "lucky" because they were burning budget after Obama's Spendulous bill. (I suspected that and whilst getting set up as a dealer years later, the BATFE IOI that was on-site essentially confirmed that is what happened.)

And, yah, having a C&R in a state where it does anything is not kind to your bank account. The heyday of milsurp may be over, but there are treasuries aplenty in the curio market. (In Oregon, they passed a brain-dead law that, essentially, made it pointless to C&R in the state.)

 

[jimmyb]

Just keep your logbook in good order. Watch your wallet!

Thanks its hard with the License

 

[gmerkt]

In Wash., it's a serious work-around loophole for anything older than 50 years. C&R guns and licensees get a pass from the various restrictive laws.

When I was selling inherited guns on Gunbroker, quite a few went to C&R buyers out of state. It was no advantage to me, because I was shipping everything through an FFL dealer. But I think it was a sales incentive to those buyers who had a C&R license. I never sent anything out to a C&R unless I could document that the gun was actually 50 years old. Most guns I could, a few I couldn't because there was no reference material on them. The online Colt serial number lookup was very helpful.

I had one local C&R transaction, everything about it smelled shifty. But when we met up, the guy had the license in hand and he gave me a copy of it. I checked his driver's license, the two documents matched. He bought two guns, both 50 or more years old. Legal cash and carry. About a month later, Mrs. Merkt got a call from the Kent PD, asking if I'd sold these two guns. I wasn't home; she took the message. The officer said he'd call back. He never did, I have no idea what that was about. I'll be fine if I never hear anything more about it. It's only a guess, but I'm thinking maybe this C&R holder tried to turn around and flip the guns to a non-C&R buyer.

Another guess: When the police catch a perp for whatever reason with guns in possession, they like to add on another charge of possession of stolen firearm if possible. If they run the guns against the stolen firearm list and don't get a hit, they might contact the last owner of record to see if they are stolen but haven't been reported. Which happens. The guns were not on paper to me, but the buyer may have told the police he bought them from me and they didn't believe him. Or one of the guns was stolen years ago and when the police ran the serial number, they got a hit. I've had that happen twice with the many guns that I inherited. Most if not all of them were purchased by the previous owner at gun shows, not through licensed dealers.

 

[CountryGent]

One thing I will add: in my experience the most annoying aspect of C&R-ing was how often brain-dead FFLs wouldn't ship to a C&R when it was perfectly legal to do so. The big vendors, of course, had it together enough for it not to be a problem. But I lost count how many sellers on auction sites refused to ship an obvious curio to an 03 FFL licensee. Not the end of the world, but it is stupid and obnoxious.

 

[dangerranger60]

So the biggest thing I got from a 03 license was the discounts. Discounts on reloading supplies, gun parts, travel, etc... I got way more back from the discounts than the cost of the license! DR

 

[echo1]

I never had an 03 in Kali because it used to be a Cash & Carry state until 2014, and I always did good on the street. Plus, I liked to handle the weapons in person unless I knew and trusted the out of state seller. My go to 01 FFL ruined me for transfers. He would hold a 4473 until I had 5 guns on it if I asked him to. Then he'd only charge me $25 bucks for one form and no receiving fees. That's how you end up with 50 SKSs. I know it can be advantageous to possess a 03, but I've throttled way back and try to do PPT FTF which is only $47.80. PAX

 

[jimmyb]

In Wash., it's a serious work-around loophole for anything older than 50 years. C&R guns and licensees get a pass from the various restrictive laws.

When I was selling inherited guns on Gunbroker, quite a few went to C&R buyers out of state. It was no advantage to me, because I was shipping everything through an FFL dealer. But I think it was a sales incentive to those buyers who had a C&R license. I never sent anything out to a C&R unless I could document that the gun was actually 50 years old. Most guns I could, a few I couldn't because there was no reference material on them. The online Colt serial number lookup was very helpful.

I had one local C&R transaction, everything about it smelled shifty. But when we met up, the guy had the license in hand and he gave me a copy of it. I checked his driver's license, the two documents matched. He bought two guns, both 50 or more years old. Legal cash and carry. About a month later, Mrs. Merkt got a call from the Kent PD, asking if I'd sold these two guns. I wasn't home; she took the message. The officer said he'd call back. He never did, I have no idea what that was about. I'll be fine if I never hear anything more about it. It's only a guess, but I'm thinking maybe this C&R holder tried to turn around and flip the guns to a non-C&R buyer.

Another guess: When the police catch a perp for whatever reason with guns in possession, they like to add on another charge of possession of stolen firearm if possible. If they run the guns against the stolen firearm list and don't get a hit, they might contact the last owner of record to see if they are stolen but haven't been reported. Which happens. The guns were not on paper to me, but the buyer may have told the police he bought them from me and they didn't believe him. Or one of the guns was stolen years ago and when the police ran the serial number, they got a hit. I've had that happen twice with the many guns that I inherited. Most if not all of them were purchased by the previous owner at gun shows, not through licensed dealers.

Thanks for the information

 

[Dipstik]

I applied for a Curios and Relics license yesterday, most of the firearms that I purchase fits this category. Anyone old this license have any pointers / experience. Seems to be pretty straight forward.

Good day,
I would suggest that when the document(s) arrive, photo copy/scan,and save a copy of the license before you sign it. This provides the ability to print unsigned copies, because on occasion, someone may want you to sign in front of them. I try to carry a few unsigned copies when out and about, ya just never know...

$0.02

 

[Ballardguy]

I used to have an FFL, and when I dropped it I considered a C&R, but after reading the rules I decided it wasn't for me. I do mostly pre 1899 rifles, so didn't need it for that. And anything not antique is not supposed to be bought for resale under the C&R rules. You're supposed to be buying to add to a collection, and if you resell too soon they'll discover that in your records and pull your C&R license. So I just passed on the idea for myself.

 

[thorborg]

I'm in Oregon, I had a C&R for many decades, I finally dropped my C&R license a couple years after Oregon crapped on us, At the time i was still buying gun parts and supplies and got a little discount from having a license with a few suppliers but now, I'm rather out of that so I'm full fledged ed by Oregon and no need to waste my time and money.