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Cool, thanks for doing the leg work on that BCP. Theres alot more to this that I thought....
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So I drove for 2 1/2 hours last night, to get to his house, to pay for my gun. After finally getting there, the seller has me fill out the background check forms, fingerprints me, and takes my money. But when he tries to call in the background check with OSP, hes told that they dont have his FFL info on file.
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I'm not in Oregon, but is this standard practice for every firearm transferred in the state?
Thumb prints yes. all ffl firearm transfers must have thumb prints taken.
I've bougth a number of long guns in Oregon (somehow the "shall not be infringed", and the "not interfere in interstate commerce" bits of the Constitution are twisted to forbid me purchasing handguns across state lines, but, so far at least, long guns are OK... unless you live in that other country directly south of Oregon.
In the process to purchase these, all from FFL dealers, I do not recall ever having any prints taken.
Now, when I applied for my OR CHL, that's another story.. full set, just like I was being registered as an honoured guest at the local Greybar Hotel. But that's another matter. Getting the CHL, they REALLY want the full monty on you. They have to think long and hard before Mother says Yes You May.
but simply buying a firearm?
Now I DO know that Oregon State Police insist on middling the FBI background check.... a stupid waste of public funds, as if THEM making the call will turn up anything the dealer making the call would (as in Washington). But, if OSP have no record of his being an FFL Dealer, it is safe to say he is not one... and thus should have proceeded with the sale as a private seller, still legal.
but FINGERPRINTS? Naaaahhhhhhh I doan t'eeenk so, Paco
If you are not intending to operate an ongoing business for profit you are NOT going to be issued a class 01 dealer FFL........Period.
Before a license is issued BATF agents WILL visit your intended place of business to see that you have a business plan, have all required licensing from your local and state agencies, have secure storage of any firearms on premises and any which may be temporarily on premises, that you have satisfied any and all local zoning, fire inspection, parking requirements that may be stipulated by the local business regulators that oversee such stuff at your location. They will question you as to your understanding of all laws that will govern your activities and will want to see that you are completely ready to take all steps in compliance with the complicate regulations that pertain. They'll want to see that you have any and all required signage on display.
If you plan to operate the business from your home all of the above still applies and in addition the business location will need to be a clearly seperate section of your home, preferably a building on your property which is not the building where you and your family reside, but if it is an attached sction it's preferred that it have a seperate entry and not be normally accesible from inside the house. A locking door can satisfy this, but it can come down to the way your visiting agents read their law sometimes whether they sign off on you, and you'll be left to argue your case with their superiors if you can.
You are not going to be able to decide one day that "Gee, wouldn't it be great if I could buy me and my friends all these neat guns at dealer cost - I think I'll get me an FFL!! Whiz Bang and Whoopee" BATF will be too polite to laugh in your face, but you can bet they'll joke about you in their office.
Atroxus, I don't know what BATF would think about operating solely as a transfer dealer.. but trust me, handling all that paperwork, hassle, inspections, filings, etc, would NOT be worth it for the twenny bux each..... Please, you dealers who DO this as a courtesy/favour/service, don't stop..... we APPRECIATE your hard work and hassle. But to do this exclusively, and for $20, is NOT a viable business plan.