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building a AR pistol in Washington

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by icentropy, Apr 12, 2014.

  1. icentropy

    icentropy Chesaw, WA New Member

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    Hi all, I just had a quick question. I've got two lowers coming to my local FFL. i was planning on building them into standard ARs but now i'm thinking it might be cool to build one into an AR pistol. What are the rules about registering them as a rifle or pistol? I assume it's done at the time i pick them up from the FFL and fill out the paperwork? Anything else i should know about building an AR pistol specific to WA? I plan on a 9" 300 AAC upper pistol, flash hider, 30rd mag and full 9" rail. any reason that would be a problem in WA? sorry for the weird questions but i'm from CA and it was a pain to learn all the legalities of owning an AR in that state.....
     
  2. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    There is NO way to register a gun in WA. Even if there was, a receiver can NOT be designated a rifle or a pistol since it does not meet the definition of either.

    WA laws are pretty straight forward. I highly suggest you read, http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41
     
  3. icentropy

    icentropy Chesaw, WA New Member

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    So does that mean it's all a mute point? Can I just build my lowers into anything i want?
     
  4. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    If you have a virgin lower you can build whatever you want. Once something is first made a "rifle" by definition it can no longer be legally made into a pistol again.
     
  5. icentropy

    icentropy Chesaw, WA New Member

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    what about the other way around? if i build out a pistol then after i send in and get my tax stamp, can i turn it into a SBR by just adding a stock?
     
  6. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    yup
     
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  7. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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  8. razormanxx

    razormanxx eugene Active Member

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    Just pick up a sig brace, these are pretty solid, save the paper work and tax stamp for a suppressor.
     
  9. razormanxx

    razormanxx eugene Active Member

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    This is considered a pistol

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  10. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Trust me when we get that far there will be....
     
  11. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Also, when your FFL fills out the 4473 paperwork he should select 'Other' for question 18 and write 'Lower' for question 29.
     
  12. Ryo

    Ryo WA Member

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    Some FFLs recommend you to fill out the pistol transfer form because pistols are suppose to be registered in WA. Better safe than sorry type of scenario if you get a LEO wanting to harass you.
     
  13. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    So FFL's are suggesting you break the law?

    A receiver is NOT a pistol, so it can not be transferred as such.

    There is NO registration of Title 1 firearms in WA. There is a record of last sale, similar to a 4473 though.

    There is no way this makes you "safer". Either you are following the law, or you are not............
     
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  14. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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    FFL's are notorious for coming up with their own rules and complicating things. Just follow the law; nothing more, and nothing less.
     
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  15. Ryo

    Ryo WA Member

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    True enough about FFLs, but one time I did call the WA office and they said you must do the Pistol Transfer form.. But then again that person did not sound knowledgeable. Personally I would just do it to get a copy of the paperwork so LEO can't claim it was a rifle converted to pistol because you know how some LEOs make up the law how they see fit. It's not illegal to send in the form.