Betsy Johnson, Machine Gun Owner

[Provincial]

Wrong. Johnson's been a consistent 2A supporter. For this reason I'd love to vote for her, but there is no greater goal than to prevent a Kotex governorship.

This is the important part. We have to swallow our pride and go with the candidate that can beat Kotek. Vote with your brain, not with your heart.

 

[SCLU]

Wrong. Johnson's been a consistent 2A supporter. For this reason I'd love to vote for her, but there is no greater goal than to prevent a Kotex governorship.

Yeah because she owns stuff and doesn't want to vote against what she owns. Come on.

 

[3MTA3]

plus Write In

If you guys all write me in my first executive order will be to declare the AR as the Official Oregon State Rifle. I will also impose a shot mandate requiring all Oregonians to take firearm safety courses complete with range time.

 

[CamoDeafie]

The registered voters numbers still says registered Republicans aren't a majority but that Non-affiliated are the current majority with Democrats being a close 2nd, by the numbers, and the various registered 3rd (Constitution, Libertarian, Green, Socialist, Independent, etc al) a distant minority.

 

[Yarome]

If 2A is your only issue, then disregarding what's been said for campaigning; Johnson is really your best bet, going from her voting record against Kotek's(all for anti2A stuff) and Drazan's (lack thereof of either way), publicly available voting records.

If 2A isn't the only issue, then vote however you want and bet on the polls

If you looked at those publicly available voting records, you would know that Drazen did vote against allowing local governments and school districts to ban firearms from captial and state property... as well as against red flag laws.

"Lack thereof either way" is inaccurate.

I not incredibly impressed with her voting record, but let's stick to facts instead of the "facts" the crats are trying to advertise as real.

Her voting record is also relatively short in comparison so if those issues haven't been before her to vote on in the first place, it's not exactly fair to condemn her for something she didn't have the opportunity to previously vote on.

 

[Jay Walk]

Your citizens will elect Kate Brown but with grey hair.

 

[CamoDeafie]

If you looked at those publicly available voting records, you would know that Drazen did vote against allowing local governments and school districts to ban firearms from captial and state property... as well as against red flag laws.

"Lack thereof either way" is inaccurate.

I not incredibly impressed with her voting record, but let's stick to facts instead of the "facts" the crats are trying to advertise as real.

Her voting record is also relatively short in comparison so if those issues haven't been before her to vote on in the first place, it's not exactly fair to condemn her for something she didn't have the opportunity to previously vote on.

She (Drazan) also voted against police; well. She voted for a couple bills that have been characterized as being anti-police

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She also stayed behind to make quorum instead of going along with her Republican colleagues out of State to prevent these bills from making onto the floor by denying quorum.

 

[Yarome]

She (Drazan) also voted against police; well. She voted for a couple bills that have been characterized as being anti-police

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She also stayed behind to make quorum instead of going along with her Republican colleagues out of State to prevent these bills from making onto the floor by denying quorum.

Like I said. I'm not incredibly impressed with her record.... just that we should keep things in perspective... not lose credibility by following the woketards example of making emotion based statements that aren't factually accurate.

Her record on what some would call "characterized as being anti-police", IMHO, is subjective in a perverse kind of way and fits the craats narrative, but if you look at the actual issues she was voting on, it's not so cut and dry "against" police... and more of them were very clearly in support of police/legal system.

IE., not voting yes to try and redefine "aggravated murder" to lessen the scope of that charge. A crat can easily argue it's somehow "anti-police", but... is it? Really? "Their" version of it... maybe.

Just to be clear, I don't think Drazen is some champion come to our rescue, but of the 3, our options are limited.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Vote Smart | Facts For All

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justfacts.votesmart.org

Make of it what you will.

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

Your citizens will elect Kate Brown but with grey hair.

Kotex would be far, far worse than Brown. Brown's your dotty aunt, Kotex is evil incarnate.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I don't see where Betsy would be "like Brown" considering that her own voting record regarding gun control is 180 from Brown's signatures on the other hand, I also don't see where Drazan's voting record is as consistent as Betsy regarding gun control, but it is true she has only served from 2019 to 2022...

 

[nammac]

Kotex strikes me as a 'closet' psychotic. Someone who if 'in power' so to speak will unleash Hitler-like heII on the state - and with no one to say, keep her in check, she will just act as though she has no limits and function dictatorially.

And ole Kate Brown has set the standard with the continuous "emergency orders" in clear violation of the Oregon Constitution. We certainly don't need an extension of this current reign.

Oregon deserves better, certainly better than Kotek who has only contributed to the problem, not offered solutions.

 

[Provincial]

If you vote for somebody that has no chance to win, you are likely to contribute to the victory of someone who will screw the rest of us, not just you. Your vote is needed to offset a vote for Kotek, not to make a statement that means she will need one less vote to win.

Think about it.

 

[CamoDeafie]

And ole Kate Brown has set the standard with the continuous "emergency orders" in clear violation of the Oregon Constitution. We certainly don't need an extension of this current reign.

Oregon deserves better, certainly better than Kotek who has only contributed to the problem, not offered solutions.

The Oregon State Supreme Court didn't help.any either.

 

[Provincial]

The Oregon State Supreme Court didn't help.any either.

Judges appointed by 40 years of one-party rule. Would you expect them to rule against the (one and only) Party?

 

[CamoDeafie]

We had a Republican majority in Oregon Legislature... State Senate from 94- 2000, with 2002 being 15-15 split.. State House 92 to 2004.... right around that time I think was when Portland started to get a lot of people moving from the East Coast US (New England area particularly, and NYC), thus ensuring Portland Metro dominated Legislature.....

 

[Provincial]

We had a Republican majority in Oregon Legislature... State Senate from 94- 2000, with 2002 being 15-15 split.. State House 92 to 2004.... right around that time I think was when Portland started to get a lot of people moving from the East Coast US (New England area particularly, and NYC), thus ensuring Portland Metro dominated Legislature.....

Vera Katz. Democrat, Portland Mayor from 1993 to 2005. Born in Germany, emigrated to Brooklyn, New York City at age 7. Moved to Portland in 1962. She strongly recruited young New Yorkers and Californians to move to Portland. This included payments to young people as a reward for moving there. What a coincidence!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Katz

 

[Cavedweller]

What's strange is that with more registered independent voters in Oregon than Democrats, one would think that a viable independent candidate like Johnson would be a shoe-in, especially in a state where many NAVs vote D, and Johnson's previous D affiliation. From that perspective, Johnson's win should be a slam dunk, but the polls are showing anything but. We may all be very surprised the morning of November 9!

I believe I posted stats related to this earlier in this thread. Non-affiliated voters (NAVs), not the same as Independents, became the largest category in Oregon after passage of the motor voter law. Some 300,000 people were automatically registered to vote by the DMV upon obtaining driver licenses. 80% of these chose not to join a political party after being notified by DMV that they were registered to vote, thus becoming NAVs by default. Do they even vote? It's anyone's guess.

The idea that there is a monolithic block of so-called "Independents" just waiting for a candidate not affiliated with either major party so they can vote in lockstep for such an alternative is a fiction.

 

[Provincial]

Vote Smart | Facts For All

Vote Smart provides free, unbiased, in-depth information about current officials, candidates, issues, legislation, and voting. Non-partisan and nonprofit since 1988.

justfacts.votesmart.org

Make of it what you will.

According to Wikipedia, "Vote Smart says that it does not accept contributions from corporations, labor unions, political parties, or other organizations that lobby, support or oppose candidates or issues." But it does say that "Donors to the organization have included the Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation." Many of these "charitable" entities are very liberal, and anti-gun.

I looked up Kari Lake, who is running for Governor of Arizona, and the information on Vote Smart is almost non-existent. She has no legislative or elective office history, and they fail to list anything else. One of the most important elections in this cycle, and perhaps a turning point in governance, and they have posted almost no information.

By the way, I don't see any red flags from their report on Drazen. While I was disappointed that she didn't participate in the walkout, I will vote for her, as she is the most likely candidate to beat Kotek.

 

[cameron25]

I believe I posted stats related to this earlier in this thread. Non-affiliated voters (NAVs), not the same as Independents, became the largest category in Oregon after passage of the motor voter law. Some 300,000 people were automatically registered to vote by the DMV upon obtaining driver licenses. 80% of these chose not to join a political party after being notified by DMV that they were registered to vote, thus becoming NAVs by default. Do they even vote? It's anyone's guess.

The idea that there is a monolithic block of so-called "Independents" just waiting for a candidate not affiliated with either major party so they can vote in lockstep for such an alternative is a fiction.

I switched to non affiliated years ago, me and everyone i hang with are voting for drazan cause she seems like she has the better odds to beat kotex. Either choice is better than more dems