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BB Gun: Firearm or Not a Firearm?

Discussion in 'Firearm Laws & Legal' started by RicInOR, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Mother's of one-eyed kids association... of America?! o_O



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  3. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Twofold answer.
    No its not in regards to needing a FFL or background check etc ...
    Yes it is, as in needing to be shot and handled safely , proper backstop , muzzle discipline etc ...
    Andy
     
  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Sub Light Speed Well-Known Member

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    My take is that because the BB gun's do not require powder to drive the projectile, that they do not meet the requirements of "A Fire Arm" even though they discharge a projectile at speeds close to those of some firearms! Still haven't figured out why the B.P. dosn't require FFL but I ain't complain'n
     
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  5. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Is a cap and ball revolver a firearm?
    You can just buy it and walk out with it like a loaf of bread.

    But I sure wouldn't want somebody proficient with one shooting at me! o_O
     
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  6. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Like Ura-Ki I'm not complaining about the rules on muzzleloaders either.
    And like Medic said I have seen some excellent shooting with a Black Powder firearm or two ...

    Air guns have been around for a long time and can be in anything from the fun "Red Ryder" types to serious game and target shooting rifles.
    All deserve the same respect as a "real gun" , just not needing the same paperwork , so to speak.
    Andy
     
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  7. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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  8. Kristina

    Kristina Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    "These ‘air-powered’ guns are not yesterday’s Daisy Riders. They look identical to popular handguns, have immense firepower, and too often are involved in criminal activity or tragic events.o_Oo_Oo_O

    My air gun expels projectiles faster than my 45 but there is no "firepower" to speak of. As for the second part: "tragic events"? Proof or it didn't happen.
     
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  9. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    That they did Medic .. Not so sure I buy into the magic air rifle keeping the natives mystified thing.
    After all we only have Lewis's word for just how it was received ... ;)
    ( not trying to argue .. just thinking outside the "Ambrose Box" )
    But yep they did have one and did show it off and it did keep 'em fed.
    Andy
     
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  10. Kristina

    Kristina Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I actually googled that to see if it's real. I'm kind of disappointed that it isn't, but also relieved at the same time.
     
  11. Slobray

    Slobray Yelm, WA Well-Known Member

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    You weren't the only one that googled it.........


    Ray
     
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  12. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Well Andy. A fantastic shot with a Bow. Is far from being unarmed.
    So your probably right.

    This guy makes me wonder what a 12th century battle field could really have been like?

     
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  13. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    I've read accounts of Crecy and Agincourt along with Hastings and a few more ... YIKES!
    I like my long bow and have shot and built Plains Indian style bows ... My best advice is not to get shot with a arrow from one...

    Back to the air rifle with Lewis and Clark ... I think it was more of a "That's cool , but I really don't understand it" kinda thing from the Indians viewpoint.
    They know what a gun was and understood its power and "medicine" so to speak , but an air rifle might not have even registered or been on their radar as the saying goes...
    I think they were more impressed with the guns and trade goods than anything else.
    Andy
     
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  14. Kristina

    Kristina Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Holy o_O! And also LOL!!

    If it wasn't for that guy's obvious skill I'd think that video was a joke or a spoof of some kind.
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Missed the simple question part. I think for the last thirty years though that the state of California has deemed air guns as firearms.
     
  16. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    If air bb guns are firearms, then so are nail guns, marshmallow shooters and well constructed flatulent.
     
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  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Well howdy do.
     
  18. albin25

    albin25 Lewiston Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Not firearms but they are weapons; as are knives, catapults, thrown rocks, baseball bats, bow and arrows, slingshots, fists, blowguns, swords, etc, etc....
    ...I'm sure they'll get around to controlling and/or banning them all soon enough.:rolleyes:


    Moms Against Stick Violence :s0084:
     
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  19. Mistman

    Mistman Mist Active Member

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    My neighbor brought over a 9mm air rifle last summer. We were shooting clean thru 2x4's at 25 yds w/a 115gr bullets. I think he said he was getting around 1100 fps out of it. Only 5 rounds per charge @ 3k psi though. His kid has a .22 set up w/a night vision scope for shooting rats. He can get almost 30 rounds per charge.
    Weirdest thing shooting one of those, no recoil, no report. I had earmuffs on and couldn't even tell the shot was going off except for the splinters flying.
    I watched Youtube vids of guys shooting 50 cal air rifles @ rams @ 200 yards. You can tell those are going off.
     
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  20. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills Cave Creek, Arizony Well-Known Member

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    Yeah and it's amazing that anyone would want to pump this rifle 1,500 times in order to use it :eek:
     
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