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Ballistics question

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by NeptuneSpear, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. NeptuneSpear

    NeptuneSpear Newport Member

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  2. eganx

    eganx Kingston WA Active Member

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    He would be bruised and could have the wind knocked out of him......just do a little research man. You'll find your answer.
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Probably need a change of underwear too!
     
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  4. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    LEOs usually wear body armor not bad guys. You you planning on shooting?!
     
  5. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member

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    Guess you had better practice head shots if you plan on engaging targets wearing body armor.
     
  6. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member

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    There have been plenty of times where bad guys using body armor were able to engage LEOs for a long time. Remember the Norco bank robbery? The cops handguns were ineffective against their armor.
     
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    NeptuneSpear Newport Member

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    fry pacific north west Active Member

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    google is your friend, use it. re read your original post and ask yourself "was that a dumbass question"? and then ask yourself "why didnt i include fn 5.7"?
     
  9. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    IIRC, the NIJ test involves wrapping the ballistic garment around a clay "torso" and then shooting it. If the dent in the clay is less than 1½", it counts as a "pass!" Can you imagine how you'd feel if a 12 ga. slug left an inch-and-a-half DIVOT in your chest? But hey, the vest worked, so it's okie-dokie.

    Even a pretty average handgun round striking a soft vest can cause a broken rib, punctured and/or collapsed lung, and will most certainly produce a large, ugly hematoma. Many if not most people who stop a slug are out of the fight, at least long enough for you to make the next move.

    The West Hollywood bank robbers used home-made armor that was hard, and so transferred the load to a large area, preventing injury. Can you walk around like a turtle in SAPI plates? Most of us go for concealability over protection level, at least stateside.

    Personally, if I were going to wear hard armor, I'd go for a K-pot first, because the ole brain bucket is my most important asset.
     
  10. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    WRONG WRONG WRONG both guys wore black load bearing vests NOT ANY SORT OF BODY ARMOR.
     
  11. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The CTC shooter was not wearing body armor.
     
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    Dinged Portland, OR Active Member

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    This got awkward fast. lol. But for what it's worth, assuming a level IIIA vest, the bullet may not penetrate, however you will easily break bones, cause major bruising etc. It's the equivalent of being hit with a baseball bat, won't kill ya but it'll definitely knock the wind out of you.
     
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    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Yes, some do. But get your facts straight. Neither the Aurora nor Clackamas shooters wore body armor. They wore tactical vests, which initial witnesses mistakenly called bullet resistant vests. And a bullet resistant vest is *NOT* "body armor". I have seen some reports claim that the Sandy Hook shooter wore a bullet resistant vest, including one that attributes the claim to the local police, so it does appear that he was wearing one.

    But also, as others have said, the entire point of the vest is to lessen the impact of handgun rounds. If you want to know the ballistics - well, the vests stop the round - but you'll be bruised. If two shots to center mass don't take the assailant down, aim for the legs (they're bigger targets than the head,) then if THAT doesn't stop the assailant, aim for the head now that he/she's down.
     
  14. NeptuneSpear

    NeptuneSpear Newport Member

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    I don't care if you want to call it body armor, bullet proof vest, tactical vest, urban assault vest, barrier vest, black load barring vest etc. the point is they wear gear to prevent bullets from penetrating there body. Which brings me back to my original post trying to find good information on ballistics. I have tried google but am struggling with finding information which is why I am asking for assistance, also I have no interest in the 5.7 round specifically looking for info on the calibers I have, not what you think is best.

    Thanks!
     
  15. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

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    Handgun Trajectory Table

    I tried to copy and paste the table but is was hard to read, but I hope the link helps to answer part of your question
     
  16. NeptuneSpear

    NeptuneSpear Newport Member

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    Thanks man
     
  17. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    Better check your facts again my friend.
    Typically the actual facts change every 30 minutes during the immediate aftermath of such events.
    It's often many days before anyone but immediate first responders know any solid facts. And days later the media won't report the actual facts because they don't want to make themselves look like jackwagons.
     
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    NeptuneSpear Newport Member

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    I don't care if you want to call it body armor, bullet proof vest, tactical vest, urban assault vest, barrier vest, black load barring vest etc. the point is they wear gear for protection and to help prevent bullets from penetrating their body. Which brings me back to my original post trying to find good information on ballistics. I have tried google but am struggling with finding information which is why I am asking for assistance, also I have no interest in the 5.7 round specifically looking for info on the calibers I have, not what you think is best.
     
  19. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    This thread is like the kids are home from junior high,using Dad's NWFA accounts

    Except for the fact that the OP doesn't know Google-fu
     
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    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    So stupid it must be a troll.