Oregon Backpack PDW... SBR or Pistol?

[MikeInOr]

FWIW for me subguns are always in addition to edc, not in place of. Fe in vehicle on pass seat, pass floorboard, behind pass seat, where I can grab it fast. Bag is already completely unzipped and bag covers gun so no one looking in can see it. In effect the bag acts as a scabbard (with added benefit of concealment).

For carrying its primarily to and from vehicle for me. If you get sling bag with "hot pull" tabs it deploys pretty fast as shown below.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Nov 13, 2024

One oddball scenario where this would be convenient is if you needed to run to the gunfire, such as a mass shooter. You can approach without gun being visible so you don't get shot by cops or concealed carrier.

Another one is where you are close by but not in vehicle, Fe we were watching northern lights in the dark in the boonies with strangers around. Just convient way to have a more capable weapon than edc with ready access but totally concealed. Picnic in public park in unknown area might be another example.

There may be others situations it may be useful but those are the ones I think about. For smaller guns like the Glock with stock and non moving red dot (ie USW chassis) you can use either a holster made for it, other large gun holster such as shoulder holster, or put it in your pocket like I do. Just some options to think about.

I think messenger bags like @3MTA3 posted are great also, for all the same reasons.

I have a family and children that depend on me so running towards an active shooter situation and drawing a SBR out of a backpack would really be rejecting my responsibilities as a bread winner, care taker and parent not to mention the huge potential of collateral damage to innocent bystanders such an action would entail. People with delusions of grandeur about deputizing themselves and taking down an active shooter are just another reason to run away from the active shooter instead of towards them.

If you run towards the threat with an intent to engage is it still self defense in the eyes of the courts?

We love to go exploring and hiking. I bring my camera to record family memories and my camera deploys almost exactly like the video you posted. It is fast but not near as fast as deploying a concealed handgun from my belt. I will stick with my XD mod 2 3.3" in .45acp with 14 rounds of +P Gold dots concealed on my belt over carrying an SBR in a backpack. I do keep a canister of pepper spray on my camera backpack strap when hiking which hasn't raised any eyebrows from fellow outdoorsmen like an open carried pistol or an even more concerning open carried SBR would. Even with the pepper spray I always have some sort of concealed pistol on me... which I am perfectly comfortable with being adequate for my needs and level of exposure to harm.

If I was vacationing in Haiti, Kursk, Fallujah, Somalia or Gaza actually carrying a SBR on me would probably have a lot more appeal. To me a SBR w/wo a silencer open carried with a sling around my neck is an excellent first choice weapon for an active war zone and if our corner of civilization ever declines to this level I will be prepared... but this is very low on my list of concerns.

 

[CamoDeafie]

If I was vacationing in Haiti, Kursk, Fallujah, Somalia or Gaza actually carrying a SBR on me would probably have a lot more appeal.

Chicago, Seattle, San Franciso, Los Angeles, Miami, NY City, and Coney Island but they frown on SBRs and "assault weapons" owned by lawful citizens, except Miami

 

[3MTA3]

I think messenger bags like @3MTA3 posted are great also, for all the same reasons.

The bag is part of the system. Sling bags like the Vertx Commuter I use can be slid from your back to your front very quickly as in the video you posted. Vertx bags are basically holsters that look like the bags you see people lug all over the place. When I first got mine I tested it to see how well it blends in. My wife used it as purse {no guns) and we took it to restaurants, the movie theater, and various stores. Nobody batted an eye.

They have several features that set them apart from a basic pack. Going from back to front they have compartment layers for specific purposes:

1. Closest to the back is a narrow internal pouch that accepts special Level 3A body armor. This is enough to protect against pistols and knives. When the bag is rotated to the front where you would likely be facing the threat this protects your chest.
2. The next compartment is where your firearm goes. It is quickly accessed by a special zipper with a large pull handle.
3. The last large compartment is for things you might normally carry in a commuter pack like a laptop, etc.. The bag is designed so this appears to be the obvious main compartment.
4. Finally a pouch large enough to accommodate a commuter style bicycle helmet that can act as a bump helmet if you wind up in the middle of a mostly peaceful riot. There is also enough room for a decent first aid kit designed for gun wounds like tourniquet, chest seals, Israeli battle dressing, etc..

A bag gun without a bag that allows the gun to be quickly and efficiently deployed can cause a disaster in a stressful situation. Regardless deployment practice is necessary.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PomyxAKnX50

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I'm so grateful there are people like Eli Dicken who stopped a mall mass shooter in 15 seconds, Steven Willeford, and others who stood up to mass shooters saving countless lives. Even the clackamas mall shooting a brave soul intervened which ended it.

People can be a sheepdog and be smart about it. One doesn't have to always run away. Chances of it is likely many millions to 1 anyway so not a major concern.

 

[bradsteen]

The bag is part of the system. Sling bags like the Vertx Commuter I use can be slid from your back to your front very quickly as in the video you posted. Vertx bags are basically holsters that look like the bags you see people lug all over the place. When I first got mine I tested it to see how well it blends in. My wife used it as purse {no guns) and we took it to restaurants, the movie theater, and various stores. Nobody batted an eye.

They have several features that set them apart from a basic pack. Going from back to front they have compartment layers for specific purposes:

1. Closest to the back is a narrow internal pouch that accepts special Level 3A body armor. This is enough to protect against pistols and knives. When the bag is rotated to the front where you would likely be facing the threat this protects your chest.
2. The next compartment is where your firearm goes. It is quickly accessed by a special zipper with a large pull handle.
3. The last large compartment is for things you might normally carry in a commuter pack like a laptop, etc.. The bag is designed so this appears to be the obvious main compartment.
4. Finally a pouch large enough to accommodate a commuter style bicycle helmet that can act as a bump helmet if you wind up in the middle of a mostly peaceful riot. There is also enough room for a decent first aid kit designed for gun wounds like tourniquet, chest seals, Israeli battle dressing, etc..

A bag gun without a bag that allows the gun to be quickly and efficiently deployed can cause a disaster in a stressful situation. Regardless deployment practice is necessary.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PomyxAKnX50

I'm a fan of Vertx as well. I just wish they would have changed the order of how the compartments are laid out. IMO the pouch layout from closest to furthest from body should be:
1. Armor (if wanted)
2. Mag pouches and other items one might carry on a chest rig
3. The firearm
4. Administrative compartment

Having mag pouches as close to the body as possible makes accessing them for reloads more consistent. Otherwise after the firearm is deployed you have a big empty compartment between you and the mags, the weight of which can cause the mounting platform for your mag pouches to flex and sag. I don't want mags flopping around when I'm trying to reload - I want them affixed to a more rigid surface.

Vertx 1.0 bags work well when set up in this manner because the 2 compartments closest to the body are similarly sized, and the rear compartment is too narrow to fit a folded pdw. Their 2.0 series expanded the rear compartment to better fit folding pdws and eliminated one of the forward compartments, so on those I have the mag pouches in the same space as the pdw. Generally don't like to do that because of noise/rattling when carrying it, but it works in a pinch

 

[3MTA3]

I'm a fan of Vertx as well. I just wish they would have changed the order of how the compartments are laid out. IMO the pouch layout from closest to furthest from body should be:
1. Armor (if wanted)
2. Mag pouches and other items one might carry on a chest rig
3. The firearm
4. Administrative compartment

Having mag pouches as close to the body as possible makes accessing them for reloads more consistent. Otherwise after the firearm is deployed you have a big empty compartment between you and the mags, the weight of which can cause the mounting platform for your mag pouches to flex and sag. I don't want mags flopping around when I'm trying to reload - I want them affixed to a more rigid surface.

Vertx 1.0 bags work well when set up in this manner because the 2 compartments closest to the body are similarly sized, and the rear compartment is too narrow to fit a folded pdw. Their 2.0 series expanded the rear compartment to better fit folding pdws and eliminated one of the forward compartments, so on those I have the mag pouches in the same space as the pdw. Generally don't like to do that because of noise/rattling when carrying it, but it works in a pinch

You can use Velcro mag pouches to mount spare mags in any of the pouches. You can also use Tactigami for this as well.

 

[bradsteen]

You can use Velcro mag pouches to mount spare mags in any of the pouches. You can also use Tactigami for this as well.

Yep, I do that for all of mine. Here's one example...

 

[Jcon268]

I have a SBR stamp for my SIG Spear LT and a short 300 BLK barrel is high on my list as well as a suppressor. I might try to sell such a setup to myself as a good home defense weapon but my practical side says it would just be a lot of fun. I can fantasize all sorts of situations where it would be a valuable first choice weapon... but if I am honest with myself it would just be a really fun toy! The chances of carrying around such a weapon and so much weight in a backpack on the off chance that I would have it during an active shooter situation are pretty much nil.

I haven't figured out what barrel length I want for my SIG Spear LT yet but I am thinking a 9" would have the best maneuverability with the added length of a suppressor. It seems like 9" + suppressor would be somewhat close to the maneuverability of a pistol for home defense. Not owning a suppressor yet I am thinking an 11" barrel + suppressor would be getting to the ungainly size.

Absolutely it would be fun. And being fun means you shoot it a lot. Shooting it a lot gains you trust in the weapon and your handling of it and might make it a good HD gun.
8"-9" is the best length if you want to add a suppressor. I have a "K" length suppressor on mine which is short but it's plenty quiet with 300blk subs and also quiet enough with supers to not deafen myself should I be required to use it defensively without ear pro.