Oregon Backpack PDW... SBR or Pistol?

[Jcon268]

The laws seem murky about concealed carry (in a backpack) a loaded firearm that is NOT a handgun. For the sake of this conversation, we're talking about someone who has their CHL and we are NOT talking about being anywhere in the city of Portland where you may as well assume it's always a "no."
I've heard some people reluctant to SBR their braced pistol because of the change of rules that may apply but it isn't really clear to me how it would change because it's largely based on interpretation of vaguely worded laws.
Let's say you wanted to make into a backpackable PDW (personal defense weapon) a 9mm pistol and had the option of adding a folding or collapsible brace or stock. You have your CHL but don't want to deal with removing the magazine from the firearm every time you get into the car to drive. Are you in violation of any Oregon law if you have your SBR tax stamp handy? Has anyone heard from a legal professional regarding this matter?
Thanks for your time and input guys. Picture added for illustration.

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[ilikegunspdx]

There is an old thread on this that goes into great detail and the laws. It got shut down because someone asked it to be shut down apparently. Here's the thread:

Oregon - Can you conceal carry a SBR in OR with a CHL?

Does converting a pistol with brace to sbr mean you can't carry it concealed (with a chl) in OR? Also any changes to ability to carry loaded (concealed or otherwise) in vehicle? Thx!

www.northwestfirearms.com

I carry my glock sbr in my fleece front pocket sometimes. I sometimes carry one of the following in a non tactical, opens with a single pull sling bag, usually in the vehicle: 10.5" 556 brn-180, 300 BLK 8.5" with folding adapter, 8.5" PTR .308 (mp5 in .308 basically) with barrier blind rounds, mp5k clone suppressed. Of those only the 300BLK needs to have the folding stock deployed before shooting which makes them ideal in close quarters such as vehicle. Some are sbrs and some are pistols. Both are legal.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 27, 2024

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• ilikegunspdx
• Apr 5, 2024

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• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Glock sbr 9mm

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• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Glock pistol .357 sig - about the same fpe as 10mm

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• ilikegunspdx
• Nov 12, 2024

 

[solv3nt]

Read ORS 166.

 

[Jcon268]

There is an old thread on this that goes into great detail and the laws. It got shut down because someone asked it to be shut down apparently. Here's the thread:

Oregon - Can you conceal carry a SBR in OR with a CHL?

Does converting a pistol with brace to sbr mean you can't carry it concealed (with a chl) in OR? Also any changes to ability to carry loaded (concealed or otherwise) in vehicle? Thx!

www.northwestfirearms.com

I carry my glock sbr in my fleece front pocket sometimes. I sometimes carry one of the following in a non tactical, opens with a single pull sling bag, usually in the vehicle: 10.5" 556 brn-180, 300 BLK 8.5" with folding adapter, 8.5" PTR .308 (mp5 in .308 basically) with barrier blind rounds, mp5k clone suppressed. Of those only the 300BLK needs to have the folding stock deployed before shooting which makes them ideal in close quarters such as vehicle. Some are sbrs and some are pistols. Both are legal.

IMG_7444.jpeg

• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 27, 2024

3532BF84-DAE5-495F-BCFB-537B1FE0C671.jpeg

• ilikegunspdx
• Apr 5, 2024

lknlnljn.JPG

• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Glock sbr 9mm

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• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Glock pistol .357 sig - about the same fpe as 10mm

IMG_0970.jpeg

• ilikegunspdx
• Nov 12, 2024

Nice collection sir. How do you like the PTR?
Good info. I saw that thread but still wasn't 100% I'd say it kinda depends where you are and what law enforcement you were dealing with.

 

[Nosferatu]

I'd go with whatever @ilikegunpdx suggests, except in 10mm!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Nice collection sir. How do you like the PTR?
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8.5" PTR is funnest gun I own with 12.5" version being second. I think a person buys the 8.5" for ether the fun factor (power is reduced due to fireball/blast) or for concealment (or both in my case). The 12.5" is the sweet spot for handy size while only losing 5% in power (1825 fpe) compared to 16". 12.5" is too big to fit in my sling bag though unfortunately. You can see where it falls size wise compared to other subguns here.

A key for either size imo is changing locking piece to lower degree version. Locking piece controls the speed of the bolt (how soon it releases the bolt after the shot). I use 50 and 45 degree which dramatically reduces the recoil. Recoil on both guns is about the same as 300 BLK. Locking pieces cost from $6-$50 depending on which one you want and take about 2 minutes to change.

8.5" size compared to mp5:

8.5"

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• ilikegunspdx
• Sep 2, 2024

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• ilikegunspdx
• Aug 21, 2024

8.5" with binary

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 16, 2024

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I'd go with whatever @ilikegunpdx suggests, except in 10mm!

Have you had a chance to shoot the p220 SAO yet? Also I can't recall did you get the Stribog 10mm? I'm tempted after shooting the p220. I like 10mm.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 14, 2024

 

[Nosferatu]

Have you had a chance to shoot the p220 SAO yet? Also I can't recall did you get the Stribog 10mm? I'm tempted after shooting the p220. I like 10mm.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 14, 2024

I have shot the P220 a bit - nothing extensive though. She's a sweet gun and if it's something on your list, get it! The trigger is very good and I'm on the fence on whether or not to send it to Bruce Gray. It's very, very close to the trigger he did on my SAO Carry 45.

I cannot get a Stribog until I become a resident of the USA again, unfortunately. It's top on the list after that happens though.

 

[3MTA3]

I went with a folding pistol.

• Folding so it fits in my sling bag.
• Pistol so it is covered by my Oregon Concealed HANDGUN License.
• 300 BO supersonic for stopping power (Made by Sig as a defensive round for the Sig Rattler)
• Compact silencer in the event I need to use it and don't want permanent hearing damage and it's pretty handy to be able to hear once the police arrive.
• Vertx commuter 2.0 so it looks like any other bag and you can get Level 3A soft armor (like I did) to go in a pouch designed for it

Guess I'm set for the upcoming riots if I can't avoid going into Antifastan for some reason.

Behold the mighty Crack Weasel (my Trailer Park take on the Honey Badger)

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I have shot the P220 a bit - nothing extensive though. She's a sweet gun and if it's something on your list, get it! The trigger is very good and I'm on the fence on whether or not to send it to Bruce Gray. It's very, very close to the trigger he did on my SAO Carry 45.

I cannot get a Stribog until I become a resident of the USA again, unfortunately. It's top on the list after that happens though.

We ended up ordering p220 10mm SAO on the same day. Mild recoil imo, I guess due to weight of the gun.

 

[CamoDeafie]

@3MTA3 , there's nothing in the ORS that says a valid CHL holder will be prosecuted/arrested for violating ORS 166.250 (Unlawful possession of any concealed firearm) even though the CHL covers concealed handguns. The law is written the way it is and they know the difference between handguns and firearms.

 

[MikeInOr]

When I am out in the woods I am usually carrying my camera in my photography backpack which is made for quick access to my camera via a side panel that can be easily accessed by slipping the right shoulder strap off and rotating the backpack under my left arm to access the compartment and camera. I access my camera thru this compartment frequently on hikes and it has become second nature.

This setup for my camera has shown me that a gun in a backpack, even a specially designed quick access backpack, is all but useless in a self defense situation.

I have "sold" myself on the idea that my 9mm PC Charger with binary trigger and folding stock is a good PDW (personal defense weapon) when camping in a tent or in an RV. But the truth is my logic is rather dubious.



My Keltec CP33 with 50 round magazine and folding stock does make a small portable very accurate package for squirl hunting. There is really only one problem with it, I have absolutely no interest in squirl hunting. LOL!!!





Both these SBR's had folding braces on them and where registered as SBR's during the folding brace outlawed grace period after which I switched them to stocks.

I have found that a pistol on my body is so superior to an SBR in a backpack that the SBR in a backpack really makes absolutely no sense to me at all. For a SBR to be a useable PDW it really needs to be open carried on a sling around my neck for immediate access (Which I am confident any soldier would happily confirm).

With my CHL license, tax stamps on me, unthreatening friendly nature and superior ability to avoid trouble by not being stupid or a jerk I don't worry about having a loaded weapon in my car. I have NEVER had my car searched even when I was a sh!thead teen / 20 something a hole driver way back when.
...but I also avoid the Portland area like the plague it is.

 

[Jcon268]

8.5" PTR is funnest gun I own with 12.5" version being second. I think a person buys the 8.5" for ether the fun factor (power is reduced due to fireball/blast) or for concealment (or both in my case). The 12.5" is the sweet spot for handy size while only losing 5% in power (1825 fpe) compared to 16". 12.5" is too big to fit in my sling bag though unfortunately. You can see where it falls size wise compared to other subguns here.

A key for either size imo is changing locking piece to lower degree version. Locking piece controls the speed of the bolt (how soon it releases the bolt after the shot). I use 50 and 45 degree which dramatically reduces the recoil. Recoil on both guns is about the same as 300 BLK. Locking pieces cost from $6-$50 depending on which one you want and take about 2 minutes to change.

8.5" size compared to mp5:
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8.5"

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• ilikegunspdx
• Sep 2, 2024

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• ilikegunspdx
• Aug 21, 2024

8.5" with binary

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jun 16, 2024

I have a couple options for backpackable PDWs. One is my 8.3" 300blk. I build this one myself and it shoots great and has taken the spot of my go-to HD gun. Suppressor threads onto the flash hider easily. I haven't thrown a LAW folder onto it yet because I haven't decided if I NEED it to be that gun just yet.
I also have an AP5 9mm pistol with the side-folding brace and a tri-lug mounted suppressor. It's a little shorter than the blackout but doesn't pack the punch AND the suppressor is more difficult to mount (in an emergency, where seconds count). I want to make one of these two into what I'd call a "situational carry" PDW. Obviously my EDC is going to be a concealable sub-compact but there may be times where I'd feel that wasn't enough. The nice thing about the 300blk is I can hunt for small critters within 100 yards. The AP5 would be more for defense against 2-legged predators.

 

[Jcon268]

I went with a folding pistol.

• Folding so it fits in my sling bag.
• Pistol so it is covered by my Oregon Concealed HANDGUN License.
• 300 BO supersonic for stopping power (Made by Sig as a defensive round for the Sig Rattler)
• Compact silencer in the event I need to use it and don't want permanent hearing damage and it's pretty handy to be able to hear once the police arrive.
• Vertx commuter 2.0 so it looks like any other bag and you can get Level 3A soft armor (like I did) to go in a pouch designed for it

Guess I'm set for the upcoming riots if I can't avoid going into Antifastan for some reason.

Behold the mighty Crack Weasel (my Trailer Park take on the Honey Badger)
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What you have there is very similar to my setup except I don't have the Law folder and mine has a stock as an SBR, however I can throw on a brace like you have there quite easily. I feel like it is the do everything you'd really NEED kinda gun.

 

[Jcon268]

I'd go with whatever @ilikegunpdx suggests, except in 10mm!

Shot a Glock 10mm for the first time last time I went out with some guys. I was expecting some significant recoil and honestly it wasn't bad at all. I have subcompacts that are snappier!

 

[Nosferatu]

Shot a Glock 10mm for the first time last time I went out with some guys. I was expecting some significant recoil and honestly it wasn't bad at all. I have subcompacts that are snappier!

The G29 is the only Glock that matters.

 

[Jcon268]

The G29 is the only Glock that matters.

I think I shot the G20. In any event, I have quite a few Glock clones but I've never been a fan of how actual Glocks feel in my hands. Despite that, this one wasn't too bad. And I was just using standard irons.

 

[Jcon268]

When I am out in the woods I am usually carrying my camera in my photography backpack which is made for quick access to my camera via a side panel that can be easily accessed by slipping the right shoulder strap off and rotating the backpack under my left arm to access the compartment and camera. I access my camera thru this compartment frequently on hikes and it has become second nature.

This setup for my camera has shown me that a gun in a backpack, even a specially designed quick access backpack, is all but useless in a self defense situation.

I have "sold" myself on the idea that my 9mm PC Charger with binary trigger and folding stock is a good PDW (personal defense weapon) when camping in a tent or in an RV. But the truth is my logic is rather dubious.
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My Keltec CP33 with 50 round magazine and folding stock does make a small portable very accurate package for squirl hunting. There is really only one problem with it, I have absolutely no interest in squirl hunting. LOL!!!
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Both these SBR's had folding braces on them and where registered as SBR's during the folding brace outlawed grace period after which I switched them to stocks.

I have found that a pistol on my body is so superior to an SBR in a backpack that the SBR in a backpack really makes absolutely no sense to me at all. For a SBR to be a useable PDW it really needs to be open carried on a sling around my neck for immediate access (Which I am confident any soldier would happily confirm).

With my CHL license, tax stamps on me, unthreatening friendly nature and superior ability to avoid trouble by not being stupid or a jerk I don't worry about having a loaded weapon in my car. I have NEVER had my car searched even when I was a sh!thead teen / 20 something a hole driver way back when.
...but I also avoid the Portland area like the plague it is.

The PDW would definitely be a situational type firearm, as opposed to an immediate self-defense gun for the reasons you've stated above. This is why I lean more toward a 300blk for a PDW because where it loses in time to deploy, it at least makes up for in extra power. 300blk rounds can penetrate body armor, so let's say you're in an active shooter situation, you have the choice of your 9mm defense ammo quick at your hip OR something that will accurately dispatch an assailant wearing armor if you see an opportunity to deploy.

 

[MikeInOr]

The PDW would definitely be a situational type firearm, as opposed to an immediate self-defense gun for the reasons you've stated above. This is why I lean more toward a 300blk for a PDW because where it loses in time to deploy, it at least makes up for in extra power. 300blk rounds can penetrate body armor, so let's say you're in an active shooter situation, you have the choice of your 9mm defense ammo quick at your hip OR something that will accurately dispatch an assailant wearing armor if you see an opportunity to deploy.

I have a SBR stamp for my SIG Spear LT and a short 300 BLK barrel is high on my list as well as a suppressor. I might try to sell such a setup to myself as a good home defense weapon but my practical side says it would just be a lot of fun. I can fantasize all sorts of situations where it would be a valuable first choice weapon... but if I am honest with myself it would just be a really fun toy! The chances of carrying around such a weapon and so much weight in a backpack on the off chance that I would have it during an active shooter situation are pretty much nil.

I haven't figured out what barrel length I want for my SIG Spear LT yet but I am thinking a 9" would have the best maneuverability with the added length of a suppressor. It seems like 9" + suppressor would be somewhat close to the maneuverability of a pistol for home defense. Not owning a suppressor yet I am thinking an 11" barrel + suppressor would be getting to the ungainly size.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

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I have found that a pistol on my body is so superior to an SBR in a backpack that the SBR in a backpack really makes absolutely no sense to me at all. For a SBR to be a useable PDW it really needs to be open carried on a sling around my neck for immediate access (Which I am confident any soldier would happily confirm).

FWIW for me subguns are always in addition to edc, not in place of. Fe in vehicle on pass seat, pass floorboard, behind pass seat, where I can grab it fast. Bag is already completely unzipped and bag covers gun so no one looking in can see it. In effect the bag acts as a scabbard (with added benefit of concealment).

For carrying its primarily to and from vehicle for me. If you get sling bag with "hot pull" tabs it deploys pretty fast as shown below.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Nov 13, 2024

One oddball scenario where this would be convenient is if you needed to run to the gunfire, such as a mass shooter. You can approach without gun being visible so you don't get shot by cops or concealed carrier.

Another one is where you are close by but not in vehicle, Fe we were watching northern lights in the dark in the boonies with strangers around. Just convient way to have a more capable weapon than edc with ready access but totally concealed. Picnic in public park in unknown area might be another example.

There may be others situations it may be useful but those are the ones I think about. For smaller guns like the Glock with stock and non moving red dot (ie USW chassis) you can use either a holster made for it, other large gun holster such as shoulder holster, or put it in your pocket like I do. Just some options to think about.

I think messenger bags like @3MTA3 posted are great also, for all the same reasons.