ATF is Muddying the Form 1/Solvent Trap Waters

[Hueco]

Only rumors, but some folks online saying they are going back and essentially canceling already approved form 1s. No confirmation on this yet.

And refunding that tax stamp payment no doubt

 

[arakboss]

Do I need a form 1 for this intercooler pipe?

https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Intercooler-Brushed-Treatment-Tube%EF%BC%88Black%EF%BC%89/dp/B09PL42BYM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=napa+4003+fuel+filter&qid=1646241053&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4SDFWTjhXNDNYS1QmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1NjgxMDNPWDIxVlFGMEFGNDUmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDgyNTgzODFCS0dGVzg3UTBRQjYmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

 

[wired]

What I wonder more about is if anyone is getting approved still

 

[ORhutner]

Do I need a form 1 for this intercooler pipe?

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https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Intercooler-Brushed-Treatment-Tube%EF%BC%88Black%EF%BC%89/dp/B09PL42BYM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=napa+4003+fuel+filter&qid=1646241053&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4SDFWTjhXNDNYS1QmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1NjgxMDNPWDIxVlFGMEFGNDUmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDgyNTgzODFCS0dGVzg3UTBRQjYmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Not if you actually put it on an internal combustion engine. Would be a great middle finger to the ATF for them to show up, ask for the parts and then proceed to go lift the hood of your car and show them in use.

 

[ORhutner]

What I wonder more about is if anyone is getting approved still

I am wondering the exact same thing. Very interested for your first hand account as your form 1 progresses.

 

[Stomper]

Do I need a form 1 for this intercooler pipe?

View attachment 1143561

https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Intercooler-Brushed-Treatment-Tube%EF%BC%88Black%EF%BC%89/dp/B09PL42BYM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=napa+4003+fuel+filter&qid=1646241053&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4SDFWTjhXNDNYS1QmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1NjgxMDNPWDIxVlFGMEFGNDUmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDgyNTgzODFCS0dGVzg3UTBRQjYmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Not with a 10' pole,
"CA Man"!



I followed @wired 's tutorial and set up an online account and started filling out and saved Form-1, glad I didn't get any further than name and address stuff.

Maybe I'll just do an SBR if the F-1 silencer stuff has been killed.

 

[wired]

The word on the streets is they are going to release some more info later this week. Apparently they are going to require pics of "something" , and there will be extra instructions etc. In the meantime they are just disapproving everything.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Apparently it's this, from Quiet Bore's facebook they say they have been in communication with the ATF

 

[Alexx1401]

Apparently it's this, from Quiet Bore's facebook they say they have been in communication with the ATF

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Hopefully they will get their heads together and make it this simple. Seems as so often happens one bureaucrat makes up one thing, while another says something different and soon no one knows what the hell is going on.

 

[JohnnyMac]

Apparently it's this, from Quiet Bore's facebook they say they have been in communication with the ATF

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Looks like I have a reason to buy a CNC machine now....

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

This appears to be clearly classist and a violation of the Equal Protection Clause

U.S. Constitution
The Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause requires the United States government to practice equal protection. The Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to practice equal protection.

Equal protection forces a state to govern impartially—not draw distinctions between individuals solely on differences that are irrelevant to a legitimate governmental objective. Thus, the equal protection clause is crucial to the protection of civil rights.

On the surface this creates a easily articulable barrier to accessibility based solely on the individuals access to tooling and training with no discernible benefit to the .gov and their 'objective', unless that objective is to keep poor people and those living in situations that don't allow for machinery from producing a legal Form 1 suppressor

 

[wired]

This appears to be clearly classist and a violation of the Equal Protection Clause

U.S. Constitution
The Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause requires the United States government to practice equal protection. The Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to practice equal protection.

Equal protection forces a state to govern impartially—not draw distinctions between individuals solely on differences that are irrelevant to a legitimate governmental objective. Thus, the equal protection clause is crucial to the protection of civil rights.

On the surface this creates a easily articulable barrier to accessibility based solely on the individuals access to tooling and training with no discernible benefit to the .gov and their 'objective', unless that objective is to keep poor people and those living in situations that don't allow for machinery from producing a legal Form 1 suppressor

None of that applies in practice.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

None of that applies in practice.

But it should

 

[wired]

But it should

It still doesn't.