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ATF Arms Chitown Gangs

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by kenno, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. kenno

    kenno eastern WA Active Member

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    ATF Death Watch 75: ATF-Enabled Indiana Guns Went to Chicago Gangs
    Posted on September 7, 2011 by Robert Farago

    I just got off the blower with Brent R. Weil [above] 0f Kightlinger and Gray, LLP. The Evansville, Indiana lawyer represents the [as yet unnamed] gun store that sold firearms to ATF-enabled straw purchasers. “The ATF told my client to let the sales go through,” Mr. Weil told TTAG. “He later told me that the guns went to Chicago gangs.” In one case, a straw purchaser failed to pass the FBI’s NICS [National Instant Check System] background check . . .

    The dealer called an ATF agent in the parking lot; the agent told the dealer to let the sale go through. The ATF arrested the so-called straw purchaser after he walked out the door. In every other instance, however, the ATF did not apprehend the buyers immediately after purchase.

    In one case, a buyer and his associate left the store and smashed their vehicle into a police car on their way out. (Seriously.) The driver was charged with the traffic incident, but allowed to keep the guns and proceed. Whether or not the ATF kept tabs on the guns after that, or if guns were used in subsequent crimes, is unknown.

    Mr. Weil also threw some cold water on the theory that Mexican cartel members in Indiana purchased the guns with the ATF’s blessing as part of an anti-Los Zetas quid pro quo. “The buyers were black and caucasian,” Weil said. Also, the gun store in question initiated the contact with the ATF.

    The new information doesn’t rule out the possibility that the Indiana gun store “sting” involved criminals affiliated with the Sinaloa or La Familia cartels (whom the ATF armed during Operation Fast and Furious). But that possibility seems a whole lot less likely.

    Nonetheless, the Indiana intel reveals that the ATF was allowing known criminals to purchase firearms. The crucial question: did they lose track of the guns accidentally on purpose, as they did during Operation Fast and Furious?

    And if the guns purchased in Evansville ended up in The Windy City, the ATF’s heir apparent—Chi-town Bureau Chief Andrew Traver—must have known about the policy. What did Andy know and when did he know it?

    As Ralph points out below, we’re still left wondering about the scope, scale and final destination of all ATF-enabled firearms. How many vicious thugs bought firearms with the ATF’s help? How many of those were recovered and/or recovered from crime scenes?

    Meanwhile, rumors are swirling that the Carson City killer used an ATF-enabled AK-47 during his murderous rampage. The attacker, Eduardo Sencion, was Mexican-born (with an American passport) with no criminal record.

    There’s no firm evidence establishing linking Sencion with the ATF. The fact that anyone would even think of that possibility reveals the corrosive effect of the ATF on the public’s respect for the federal government and the primacy of the rule of law. It’s yet another reason to deep-six the ATF—after we find out what they’ve been doing with our tax money.
  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Imagine the "blow up" that will occur if its found that weapon WAS from an "ATF enabled" purchase!!!
  3. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Or was it all a part of the "behind the scenes" way of trying to work on gun control???
  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    You mean, "under the radar"... doncha? ;)
  5. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    Why would Sencion have an illegal gun if he had no criminal record and he was a US citizen? It makes no sense.
    What makes sense is his family members saying that that he had a long history of "mental issues." Like you couldn't have guessed that already - he had a "support the troops" bumperstrip on the truck he drove to the killing.
  6. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Well I'll bet that the ATF was worried when they heard about the Carson City shooting. Read how they responded after the Terry shooting.

    "When weapons were recovered at the scene of the agent's slaying, ATF officials in Phoenix scrambled. "All these ATF guys were showing up," one law enforcement official recalled. "We were trying to catch suspects and rope up the crime scene, and all the ATF guys were saying they needed the serial numbers! They needed the serial numbers!"

    Sounds like they were thinking defensively way before anyone actually got shot with of thier weapons. Any skeptics should read this article and then tell me that the ATF was interested in tracking anything.

    Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up - latimes.com