Army goes to new ammo

[KKG]

Caseless ammunition isn't really new. But, maybe somebody has finally figured out a way to actually make it work. Daisy had a caseless .22 out many years ago - 1961. It tended to leak gas very quickly and as I remember it got dirty very quickly. Neither of those things was good.

 

[Colts4me]

If it's still in testing how can you say it's a "done deal?" There's no delivery contract. That's premature.

From another site a fellow in the know told us, I am just passing on what he said. I trust his words.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Since it doesn't load Powder , patch , ball...and while I do understand and appreciate the workings of and advantages of conventional brass cased ammo...
What is the perceived advantage and reasoning behind this new ammo...is the current issue .556 and .762 not doing what it is supposed to do?
Andy

 

[Boboclown]

Since it doesn't load Powder , patch , ball...and while I do understand and appreciate the workings of and advantages of conventional brass cased ammo...
What is the perceived advantage and reasoning behind this new ammo...is the current issue .556 and .762 not doing what it is supposed to do?
Andy

It reduces overall length and reduces risks of projecticles being damaged. Is it a concept I'd go with, probably not, but those are the advantages.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Thanks!
Andy

It reduces overall length and reduces risks of projecticles being damaged. Is it a concept I'd go with, probably not, but those are the advantages.

 

[KKG]

What is the perceived advantage and reasoning behind this new ammo...is the current issue .556 and .762 not doing what it is supposed to do?
Andy

Well, it seems that at least the .308 is doing it's job. The idea behind the Caseless is so a soldier can carry more ammunition. The Ammo to Kill ratio has kept on getting worse since the .223 was adopted. And it seems that the Marksmanship of our Military isn't improving either. Same - Same with 9mm vs .45ACP. Some people take longer to learn than others.

 

[Boboclown]

It isn't caseless ammo though. Telescoped ammo still has a case, only the projectile is inside the case surrounded by the propellant. They found too many issues with caseless ammo to keep it.

The idea of this would be shorter overall length, with a bonus of having less risk of damaging the projectile. Maybe it could lead to more ammo since it allows for a somewhat shorter rifle and magazine, but I don't think the amount of weight saved from that would allow for more ammo to be carried.

 

[ob1]

So why am I thinking that if fully adopted, this new load will not be allowed to be released to the civilian market, and production of current loads will be ceased.

 

[KKG]

So why am I thinking that if fully adopted, this new load will not be allowed to be released to the civilian market, and production of current loads will be ceased.

That ain't gonna happen soon.

 

[thorborg]

People should care.
When reloading is no longer possible. Military and police use the bulk of the ammo. When they no longer buy brass, what do you think it will do for the rest of us. Better hope you have a good job because new and used brass prices will go through the roof with availability slowly diminishing.
Never mind lead, I thought Plastics were bad for the earth, Where are the screaming plastic soda straw bigots when you need them.

 

[KKG]

People should care. When reloading is no longer possible. M

The Army isn't the only source of ammunition.

 

[Stomper]

Just make all long guns and MG's shoot hopped up .410 shells with the projectile of choice... problem solved.

 

[KTM530XCW]

That'll be a bubblegum for handloading. Is this California's way to end reloading?

 

[Jamie6.5]

Did some research and come to find out this new ammo is $12.98 a round VS .37cents a round for 556 WTF how stupid is this

That there's Military Grade stupid son.
But it's only that $pendy 'til they get it sorted out.
Then it'll be cheaper.





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Psssst,... Hey buddy, wanna buy a bridge?

 

[Colts4me]

Here is an update, the ammo will defeat any body armour. Check this out.

The Army's Next High-Tech Assault Rifle Will Pack A Punch Like A Tank

 

[kingsolace]

Here is an update, the ammo will defeat any body armour. Check this out.

The Army's Next High-Tech Assault Rifle Will Pack A Punch Like A Tank

The article that this one links to is talking about potentially replacing their SAWs with this one rifle. These things tend to drag on forever, though. 6.5mm to 6.8mm is quite a bit bigger than 5.56 though

The service plans on fielding a Next Generation Squad Automatic Rifle (NGSAR) — the first version in the Army's Next-Generation Weapons System that chambers a round between 6.5mm and 6.8mm — as a potential replacement for its 80,000 M249 SAWs starting in fiscal 2022...

 

[Siglvr]

It took them 14 years to get to this point? Figure they'll look to integrate it into the field in another 14 years, but by then the next great thing will be out so they'll put a hold on what otherwise would be (in my mind) a pretty good idea. Hopefully we can field an LSAT in 6.5 Creedmore, but....sigh.....won't be coming along for 14 more years I'd guess.

Sorry boyz, but that's the reality and we all know it. The only time these timelines get jiggyed is if we are pressed via a war to up the anty. Then they'll have it out in 2 years or so....

 

[bigezfosheez]

Remember when obama wanted environmentally friendly bullets that planted flowers.

 

[Geardo]

I would love something with 6.5 creedmore ballistics tucked inside an ar15 size rifle!

 

[bigezfosheez]

Not familiar with 6.5 ballistics, but POF makes an AR in 300WM if that works for ya