Apparently the IRS needs more training??

[Flopsweat]

Beware the U.S. Education Department SWAT team

Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours. Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif...

www.heritage.org

Did they have any reasonable indication that he'd be violent?

 

[Ben B.]

I don't rightly know.

Did he have any reasonable indication that Department of Education door-kickin ninja would be dropping by for early coffee with the real suspect's ex and the kids?

 

[sobo]

Beware the U.S. Education Department SWAT team

Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours. Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif...

www.heritage.org

Did they have any reasonable indication that he'd be violent?

I don't rightly know.

Did he have any reasonable indication that Department of Education door-kickin ninja would be dropping by for early coffee with the real suspect's ex and the kids?

What is really disturbing is that the article, and the raid, were in 2011. This shiit has been going on for a long time, and at 40,000 raids/year back in 2011, what could that number be today and we don't ever hear about it? Our gooberment and it's alphabet bois has gone way off the rails in targeting private American citizens in these types of violent raids. There needs to be a reckonin'...


And if suddenly you don't hear from me anymore, and you catch some news item about an alphabet boi raid in Kennewick, then I was likely the target...

 

[GrayGoose]

You guys really should be thinking about why they are training 87,000 IRS agents to kill their fellow Americans.

This is exactly why we have the 2nd A.

 

[Member 34319]

Beware the U.S. Education Department SWAT team

Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours. Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif...

www.heritage.org

With stuff like this, we aren't much better than communism.

 

[DunRanull]

The IRS wants to shoot your accountant among other things.

I am still not quite sure what dangerous criminals (or so many) that the IRS thinks it needs guns for that they can't ask for armed help with.

Theys revenuers... fair game, EVERbody knows this! Specially them..
Seriously tho... I once had a bro-in-law who was a bank examiner. He carried a .44 in his briefcase..

 

[DunRanull]

All of the various agencies want their black bag units of door-kicking operators. NASA, NIH, IRS, AMTRAK, National Park Service, Department of Education, probably the FDA, probably others have some sort of tactical SWAT guys.

And they are backed up by a billion+ rounds of ammo stored by DHS....

 

[coop44]

Next time you go fishing keep an eye out for the Coasties

Maritime Safety and Security Team - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[salmon creek gary]

IRS getting armed is something I need an education coarse on. WTF do they need an armed version for?

The vast majority of IRS agents are not trained LEOs. My B-I-L was once an IRS agent assigned to investigating tax evasion by organized crime members in Detroit, MI. He was an accountant, not an IRS special agent, so guns were not supposed to be part of his job. But all is not fair, the bad guys did have guns, and the threat level eventually rose to the point that he was forced to relocate to an IRS office away from Detroit. Ultimately, he had all the fun he could stand and left IRS in favor of relatively peaceful family life.

Lots of major cases investigated by a variety of federal, state, and local agencies will have tax implications, therefore IRS does have an active interest and will be represented during the investigation, search, arrest, and interview phases. Although some of those cases involve white collar, mostly Casper Milquetoast types, other cases will involve subjects - maybe even multiple subjects - who are inclined to violence and possibly better armed than the LEOs. At the point of confronting such subjects, LEOs understandably prefer being attentive to the task at hand rather than babysitting an IRS representative. Therefore, IRS will be represented by one of their special agents, armed and trained to participate fully as a team member.

 

[coop44]

IRS like the FBI, has a lot of failed mediocre lawyers.

 

[The Heretic]

Next time you go fishing keep an eye out for the Coasties

Maritime Safety and Security Team - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

All CG petty officers (E-4 and up) are federal LEOs, but few get any real LE training. Boarding Officers - maybe 10% get some training. I did, but certainly not at the level of MSST (their mission is quite different). About the time I left the CG (early 80s), it changed the primary mission from SAR to LE but that was a good 20 years before MSST was officially a thing.

AFAIK, the USCG still does not enforce fishing regs/rules/laws - I bet they still bring along someone from another agency (NOAA now?) - I could be wrong on this.

 

[American123]

"Thankfully, no employees from the Federal Bureau of Prisons sustained injuries in the occurrence, as stated by a spokesperson."

Why does that statement hit my funny bone?


NASA's SWAT team is supposed to be one of the best, I've heard. View attachment 1472441

Better do your homework, kid, or else.

The Department of Education doesn't care if American kids learn anything. They just won't put up with parents opposing grooming kids to be transvestites, or questioning why pornography is provided in school libraries, or demanding the schools provide a quality education to the students.

 

[WillametteWill]

What is really disturbing is that the article, and the raid, were in 2011. This shiit has been going on for a long time, and at 40,000 raids/year back in 2011, what could that number be today and we don't ever hear about it? Our gooberment and it's alphabet bois has gone way off the rails in targeting private American citizens in these types of violent raids. There needs to be a reckonin'...


And if suddenly you don't hear from me anymore, and you catch some news item about an alphabet boi raid in Kennewick, then I was likely the target...

Here is the quiet part no one in law enforcement is saying out loud. It is generally not a good idea for many of these folks to be armed and a worse idea for them to have "teams." This is related to the federal and sometimes state level. Let me explain.

Street cops have numerous daily interactions with plenty of bad guys (along with more with good folks). They have to go hands on during arrests, even with bare minimum use of force up to pointing guns at really bad people. They search buildings with guns and flashlights, work together with officers in their own and other agencies, and get plenty of experience in how to do the job safely, and effectively while (hopefully) being respectful of others and their rights.

Now you spin up someone who primarily does "investigative" work at a desk, have them strap on a Glock and think all will be well during their extremely limited interactions. Not. Going. To. Happen. Even our investigators where I worked (who were trained in patrol tactics and were sharp) would let the patrol folks handle the interactions because they knew they were better equipped for the task. They could do the job, but they were bright enough to know others could do it better. When it came to interviewing and other aspects of investigations, then they took over. Exceptions for teams that did contact on a regular basis who were good to go.

I remember reading an account in a book by a fed telling the story of a big arrest. He made a big deal about it and I'm thinking, "This happens every Tuesday in Albany." There are of course exceptions but if someone from the Department of Education is getting enough street time to be as good as a Seattle copper we have some serious problems. They are a danger to themselves and others out there. My comments are not directed for the event in the OP as I do not know the people or the situation and will not judge, this is an overall philosophy.

These alphabet agencies need tens of thousands of armed agents and tactical teams about as much as NASCAR does.

And checking in for @sobo ...you and your dogs still out there?

 

[salmon creek gary]

. . . .spin up someone who primarily does "investigative" work at a desk, have them strap on a Glock and think all will be well during their extremely limited interactions. Not. Going. To. Happen. Even our investigators where I worked (who were trained in patrol tactics and were sharp) would let the patrol folks handle the interactions because they knew they were better equipped for the task. . . . .

You've perfectly described my LEO role. I was an investigator, had never been a street cop, and I was aware of my limitations. On the occasions that I was actually involved in an arrest (even when I was the lead agent) there were experienced people between me and the action.

 

[sobo]

And checking in for @sobo ...you and your dogs still out there?

I'm still out here - just had to put my youngest (daughter) into university at Montclair in NJ when I was last in this thread, almost a month ago. Oh, and while we visited Manhattan, I caught the latest variant of The Plague! I figure I contracted it on August 22, while we visited Ground Zero and had my eldest's (son) birthday dinner in the Chelsea Market. It hit me right as the plane touched down back home in Kennewick on the 25th, and my brain "fogged up" pretty good while I was driving home from the airport. I almost fell asleep at the wheel, and it's only an easy 7-mile drive from the airport to my home! Then it got pretty rough the two weeks from 8/25 to 9/8, but I survived. I'm just getting over the last vestiges of it now, but I'm still hacking up a buncha "lung butter" every morning...


But about the dogs... that's another story, and kinda long. I'll hafta go back and update my TRO for someone's uncontrollable dogs? thread for that. There's some good news on the part of the original problem, and then there's some new bad news from a new member to the neighborhood... I'll get to that once I feel I'm back up to snuff and feeling spritely again, and my sarcastic wit returns so the prose is embellished appropriately...

 

[WillametteWill]

I'm still out here - just had to put my youngest into university at Montclair in NJ when I was last in this thread. Oh, and while I was in Manhattan, I caught the latest variant of the Plague! I figure I contracted it on August 22, while we visited Ground Zero and the Chelsea Market. It hit me right as the plane touched down back home in Kennewick on the 25th, and my brain "fogged up" pretty good while I was driving home from the airport. I almost fell asleep at the wheel! And it got pretty rough the weeks of 8/25 to 9/8, but I survived. I'm just getting over the last vestiges of it now, still hacking up a buncha lung butter every morning...

No fun!!! Glad you are feeling better and keep up with the recovery.

You've perfectly described my LEO role. I was an investigator, had never been a street cop, and I was aware of my limitations. On the occasions that I was actually involved in an arrest (even when I was the lead agent) there were experienced people between me and the action.

You have mighty wisdom, I pray others will follow your lead.

 

[billdeserthills]

Internal Revenue Service Special Agent Indicted in Shooting Death of Fellow Agent
Just another great reason not to arm the IRS

Internal Revenue Service Special Agent Indicted in Shooting Death of Fellow Agent | All About Arizona News

On Wednesday, a federal grand jury indicted Larry Edward Brown, Jr., 42, of Peoria, on one count of Involuntary Manslaughter of an Officer of the United States. The indictment alleges that on August…

www.allaboutarizonanews.com

 

[Jay Walk]

Colt single action can go off on its own as well.

 

[solv3nt]

Colt single action can go off on its own as well.

SIG got the patent apparently.

 

[sobo]

SIG got the patent apparently.