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Anyone ever stuff 1" steel flechetts into a 12ga. round and shoot them?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Stomper, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I'm intrigued by the potential of loading 12ga. shells with milsurp 1" steel flechettes. Has anyone fired these babies from their shotty? If so what's your opinion on their performance, penetration of bio-tissue and obstacles like plywood and sheetmetal (like car bodies)?
     
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  2. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    Have seen them at gun shows already loaded, sure you can do it yourself.
     
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    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    YIKES... the rounds in the link you posted are a bit spendy! (BTW- thanks for posting the link!)
     
  5. Key-Hay

    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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    They sell the sabots and flechettes for loading your own. So what the heck would you use these for anyway? Might be good for bear protection.
     
  6. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    The reason these are still available is the Vietnam era US military tested them out and found they were not nearly as effective as they initially seemed. They would be a poor choice for a bear compared to heavy buckshot or slugs
    As a side note they were even loaded into 40 MM grenade shells for a large shotgun blast effect
     
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    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I was looking at a Cheaper Than Dirt ad, where they are selling 1-lb. (approx 960 darts) for under $20.00. Just thought it was an intriguing idea. I think I'll stick to 00-buck and 1-oz rifled slugs.
     
  10. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Just by looking at them it seems like they would tumble, and depending on the distance from the target might be sideways on impact greatly reducing penatration. I'l love to test it out and see what angle most of them are at on impact.
     
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    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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  12. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    MMMmmmm... antimony is a carcinogen. I wouldn't want to shoot someone with that, you could give them cancer. ;)
     
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  13. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    True, I would not even think of a bear, just piss him off more unless a point blank with the muzzle in his mouth!
    I carried the '79' for part of a tour and really liked it a lot other than the humping the ammo, and the flechetts were not useful. However if used in an artillery round at level elevation into an outer perimeter? Bad ju-ju for sappers.
     
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  14. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    Flechettes are designed for 'beehive' tank gun rounds or rocket warheads. These have canisters of flechettes with a few pound wad of Composition B (plastic explosives) behind it. The shockwave velocity of Comp B is well over 20,000 fps. It will launch out the cloud of flechettes at very, very high velocities. At comparatively very low shotgun velocities, flechettes are essentially useless.
     
  15. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Sb is a carcinogen - although it's toxic. Are you sure you aren't thinking of As? Most hard-cast lead is alloyed with Sb, isn't it?
     
  16. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    Maybe if you are in California:cool: where everything seems to cause cancer.
    BTW I want to try the "18 thin dimes" load "Please take this badge offa me... I can't use it anymore..."
     
  17. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Don't remember the elematal shorthand for it... all I know (although I'm not a plumber by trade) is antimony is no longer allowed in "soft solder" for potable water pipes. Perhaps I heard wrong about it being toxic vs. carcinogenic, either way... you could kill somebody with it if you shoot them with contaminated projectiles. ;)
     
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    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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  19. mudflatmike

    mudflatmike Lake Stevens, Wa. Active Member

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    ""Anyone ever stuff 1" steel flechetts into a 12ga. round and shoot them?"


    No, but in 1969 I stuffed about a zillion of 'em into some jungle from a 40mm grenade launcher, musta worked, 'cause I'm still here.
     
  20. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    LOL... I don't know you, but I like you anyway. ;)