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another gun owner makes us all look bad

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by nwoutlaw, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. nwoutlaw

    nwoutlaw Tacoma/Puyallup New Member

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  2. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I guess one should be careful where they steal scrap from.
     
  3. talntid

    talntid spokane Member

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    One man's gate, is another man's scrap. bubblegumin' theives.

    Probably didn't deserve to die, but fluck, stop stealing.
     
  4. nwo

    nwo Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    OMG. What an imbecile. Reading something like this makes me angry, and a bit sick.

    I certainly don't condone thievery, but the young man did not deserve to die because of it.
     
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    Zak Snohomish County New Member

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    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure the kid deserved to die. :(

    But I guess if it happened more often, there would be less stealing...
     
  7. willseeker

    willseeker N. Portland. Well-Known Member

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    At face value, it doesn't seem he deserved to die.

    You're right, Wakejoe. If vandalls knew that citizens were armed, they might think twice about doing stupid things like stealing.

    Will
     
  8. huntpotter

    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    The theif didn't deserve to die. He did deserve to have his hand chopped off.

    The witness should be charged with manslaughter. Sounds like he was taking pot shots at a moving vehicle, to stop a theft.
     
  9. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    This got me wondering... what if.

    this wasn't the first time these guys were seen in the area stealing?
    the shooter had had stuff stolen from his place and was trying to confront the thieves?

    Just very little info for crucifixion or justification.
     
  10. snew

    snew Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    Thieves actively prowling are contrary to good order and discipline. Something we sorely lack today and it's some of you that are guilty of perpetuating this problem.

    The only problem here is that one of them is still alive. If this guy was going to do it he should have done it right.
     
  11. candyman

    candyman Scappoose, OR Active Member

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    if it went down like they said theres no way they would have let him go
     
  12. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    He's 69 years old and probably thinks he didn't do anything wrong. If they need to get him back, he won't be hard to find.

    Also,

     
  13. pogi

    pogi Gresham, OR Active Member

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    Another criminal dies, big deal.
     
  14. candyman

    candyman Scappoose, OR Active Member

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    thats not the way it works
    they charge you stick you in jail then spend the next 10 months till your court date building a case
     
  15. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    All I can add is that you can use any force necessary to protect your life and property in Oklahoma and Texas .... maybe other states as well?

    Not condoning the shooting but in our state, and Texas, it would be almost a non issue.

    JMO
     
  16. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like whether he was correct or not, he felt his life was in danger. And if that is the case, then a vehicle is a lethal weapon and he may have been justified. I hate to see anyone shot over a length of pipe, but as people have turned to theft of scrap to survive, they had to know that eventually, someone would have to confront them...
     
  17. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    Sounds like some facts need to be developed yet on the defense-of-self claim. The fact that some of the shots seem to have gone through the front windshield of the car helps; the fact that some seem to have gone through the back window hurts. We'll see, I guess.

    The decision whether to prosecute will be made by the local DA, who is an elected official. I'd guess he or she won't be eager to throw the book at a 69 year old trying to keep thieves from stealing. If I were betting, I would bet they'll just bargain it down to a much lesser charge and give him probation.
     
  18. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Another "gunowner" doing something stupid doesn't make us look bad anymore than another driver doing something stupid does. People should learn to get away from carrying some sort of guilt stigma when you have nothing to do with the problem.

    :D:D Now repeat after me

    I have never owned any black slaves so I am not responsible for slavery or how they were treated.

    I had nothing to do with killing Indians and stealing their land so I am not responsible.

    Sooner or later you guys might figure out that guilt is for the guilty and you do not have to share in it just because you are alive. What you should pay attention too is the fools who try to hold you in the same catagory as the stupid criminals. Yep give them alot of attention so they will stop doing it:bluelaugh::bluelaugh::bluelaugh:

    jj
     
  19. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    I have never owned any black slaves so I am not responsible for slavery or how they were treated.

    I had nothing to do with killing Indians and stealing their land so I am not responsible.

    Comment with held as it would not be P C.
     
  20. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    The thief absolutely deserved to die. If he didn't want to risk death, he should not have set foot on another man's property and taken something that did not belong to him.

    No loss here, unless the state railroads an old man just protecting what was his.