Another 737 catches fire

[WillametteWill]

In another attempt to merge this thread with the "What are you drinking' thread...
Earlier this week, above the North Atlantic, British Airways 787-800 and a Singleton Single Malt.

Slàinte

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Certain engines installed on the latest 737 have a problem that causes leaking oil

I had no idea Harley Davidson made aircraft engines!

 

[bcp]

You may not avoid that engine by favoring Airbus.

"CFM56: Powering the Airbus A320 family and the Boeing 737"

CFM56-5B/-7B - MTU Aero Engines

CFM56‑2/-5B/-7 – MTU participation in the CFM56 engine family used across narrowbody fleets.

www.mtu.de

and...

LEAP-1A/-1B: Powering the Airbus A320neo and the Boeing 737 MAX

LEAP-1A/-1B - MTU Aero Engines

LEAP‑1A/-1B – MTU component manufacturing for LEAP‑1A and ‑1B engines on new generation jets.

www.mtu.de

Bruce

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Airbus 330 engine catches fire on the ground. Passengers evacuated. Kinda looks similar to the other one last month or so where they were standing in the wing.

Passengers evacuate Delta flight after engine fire at Orlando airport

Almost 300 people were on board the flight that was scheduled from Orlando to Atlanta, the airline said.

www.bbc.com

 

[Mrmerlinn]

I don't believe that the wing is big enough to stand in.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

787 crash in India. The 1 survivor said there was a loud noise 30 seconds after takeoff.

Verified video shows Air India plane descending and moment of crash

A plane bound for London Gatwick carrying 242 people has crashed after taking off from Ahmedabad in India.

www.bbc.com

View: https://youtu.be/mSo3DZP-FJ4?si=lVvRB4FKCUimZmem

 

[Andy54Hawken]

People have died because of what has happened in the OP.

Stop with the so called "humor".....it ain't funny or appropriate.

For those who have responded....I removed your postings , not 'cause of any rule violations....
But they no longer were relevant , since I removed the offending post.
Andy

 

[Mrmerlinn]

Thanks, Andy. Sometimes certain posts bring out the bad boy in some of us. Me included.
Good job

 

[Kruel J]

People have died because of what has happened in the OP.

Stop with the so called "humor".....it ain't funny or appropriate.

For those who have responded....I removed your postings , not 'cause of any rule violations....
But they no longer were relevant , since I removed the offending post.
Andy

I would have enjoyed replying, Andy. But you made the right call. And I 100% agree with you.

Thank you for taking out the trash.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I hope Blancolirio does an update after reviewing more videos. From that one video posted I don't see any flaps at all. But I don't really know enough about it to be sure. Really curious to see what went wrong with this one.

Pilot analysis says no flaps and never retracted gear.

View: https://youtu.be/v9pvOqpjNl8?si=CxfE0ZIgSTw91_KM

This video shows the takeoff and loss of lift:

View: https://youtu.be/iMT76ZQlmMM?si=ycsjQG4gfMN2zoVW

 

[Ura-Ki]

View: https://youtu.be/hVX_F39SKpY?si=DkjPJrHCbzN1hzjZ

 

[Ura-Ki]

From all the video I am now seeing, NO FLAPS and SLATS on take off, they had just enough air speed to actually lift off, BUT not enough lift to actually fly! Speed is King, and in the absence of enough speed, you need to generate more lift, which it looks like never happened here! My question is; how did the two pilots never lower the flaps to Take Off settings before starting the take off roll?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

From all the video I am now seeing, NO FLAPS and SLATS on take off, they had just enough air speed to actually lift off, BUT not enough lift to actually fly! Speed is King, and in the absence of enough speed, you need to generate more lift, which it looks like never happened here! My question is; how did the two pilots never lower the flaps to Take Off settings before starting the take off roll?

Agree I don't see any flaps at all. Contrast with this normal 787 takeoff that shows flaps and steeper takeoff.

Flaps are down from the start on this normal takeoff. Surely the pilots would have some indication that flaps were not down/or flaps failure?

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/a_KtHnEHQX8?si=Vw6JupoIs83zHdw1

Edit. This guy always does good videos and he said there would be warnings for the flaps. Some discussion of the ram air turbine also.

View: https://youtu.be/2zi0HHGA4Ak?si=Ov0AFm_BORzx60BC

 

[GrayGoose]

From all the video I am now seeing, NO FLAPS and SLATS on take off, they had just enough air speed to actually lift off, BUT not enough lift to actually fly! Speed is King, and in the absence of enough speed, you need to generate more lift, which it looks like never happened here! My question is; how did the two pilots never lower the flaps to Take Off settings before starting the take off roll?

Agree I don't see any flaps at all. Contrast with this normal 787 takeoff that shows flaps and steeper takeoff.

Flaps are down from the start on this normal takeoff. Surely the pilots would have some indication that flaps were not down/or flaps failure?

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/a_KtHnEHQX8?si=Vw6JupoIs83zHdw1

Edit. This guy always does good videos and he said there would be warnings for the flaps. Some discussion of the ram air turbine also.

View: https://youtu.be/2zi0HHGA4Ak?si=Ov0AFm_BORzx60BC

Quite possible the crew mistakenly retracted the flaps instead of the gear after lifting off.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Quite possible the crew mistakenly retracted the flaps instead of the gear after lifting off.

No, the entire take off roll from brakes release to crash was entirely with the flaps in the full up ( Cruise) setting! Pilot Error most likely!

 

[GrayGoose]

No, the entire take off roll from brakes release to crash was entirely with the flaps in the full up ( Cruise) setting! Pilot Error most likely!

Yeah that last video isn't very clear but the flaps do appear to be fully retracted throughout the takeoff roll. This is why we have checklists and not get complacent in using them.

The flight data recorder will reveal what happened or didn't happen.

 

[made in china]

No, the entire take off roll from brakes release to crash was entirely with the flaps in the full up ( Cruise) setting! Pilot Error most likely!

One YTer pointed out that the aircraft took so long to take off, it appeared to use the full length of the runway, then kicked up the dirt at the end of the runway.

I've also heard that the 787 has automatic checklists for takeoff configuration and won't let a pilot attempt to takeoff if the configuration is incorrect.

 

[Mrmerlinn]

^^^^^^^^
I had to google YTer! Now I am more smarter! I know what it is.

 

[made in china]

Saw a video that was more clear. Seems the RAT was deployed, it can be seen and heard. Also, didn't sound like the jet engines were at power

 

[ilikegunspdx]

This 787 pilot says this takeoff should have been flaps 15 and gear should have been up. He says if you were heavy and lost one engine you would still pull gear up (he did in simulator). Questions why they used short length of runway instead of full runway. He said he's seen it before where they input wrong takeoff data and barely get airborne.

View: https://youtu.be/BD90fBK8Za4?si=H5jG9pqAHRoAqG2e