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The Rowland has more recoil than a 10 for sure. I haven't shot game with either but the 460 seems to have a lot more punch. The bad thing with the Rowland is the heavy spring makes racking the slide pretty stout on a 1911. You get 2 springs with the kit and I put the lighter one in . Not to sure how bad it is on a glock but I imagine if you were to carry it for protection it would have to be with one in the tube.
... I am assuming it's for increased mass for recoil reduction. Pretty ugly if you ask me.
Ya agree and don't think I would sacrifice my G30 to do it. I am debating between the 1911 and G21 version. I would have to get a G21 though......
I bought Glock 41 conversion, been 4 months wait but its finally on its way!! could I see the video? it says privateHere is my setup:
Fun times. This is on a frame from a Gen4 Glock 41 that I own. I had purchased the completed long slide before the 41 (I was using it on a Glock 10mm frame so I needed the completed slide as well as the conversion kit, which consisted of the 6.61 inch 460R barrel, steel guide rod, 24lb spring, and compensator) otherwise I could have theoretically converted the G41 slide. The G41 slide is smaller (narrower, not as tall) as the Lonewolf or the G21 slide. Because of that, I prefer the beefier Lonewolf slide for 460 Rowland (Weight is your friend). I bought the extended long slide, without the top cuts to get the most mass on the top end, and have a longer barrel to build velocity of the round. One of the issues with 460 conversions is they can run too fast for the magazine spring, and cause reliability issues. Below is the setup. It was just under $500 for the complete top end, all in with shipping and the adjustable sights.
The loads I am using are 12.1 grains of Hodgden Longshot, with Hornady 230gr XTP JHP, CCI 300 large pistol primers, Starline Brass, and a COL of 1.270. I worked this load up in several increments starting from 9.5gr of powder and moving up to 12.1 ish. I am using a Lee AutoDisk powder measure and the 0.92 disk hole, which meters between 11.9 and 12.3 and averages about 12.0-12.1. As you hit 11-12 grains of powder, you start seeing a sight flatening of the primer, but less than what you see with Underwood factory ammo. The cases show no signs of stress or expansion, which you would expect with that double wall thickness needed for CUP of 40,000 psi.
If you haven't figured it out yet, 460R is a hot wildcat load. With the 6.61" barrel, these loads should be pushing the 230gr XTP at 1,400 FPS! That is about a 1000 lbft of muzzle energy. Booyaa! Well into 44 magnum territory
So how does is shoot? Much tamer than you might think. Huge boom of course, but not much muzzle flash with the compensator. So far no failures from any load size, and very good accuracy. Recoil is stout, but no worse than the hot 10mm loads that I shoot out of this gun.
Both top ends will work on the G41, G21, and G20 frames. As I said before, the recoil is very similar between the 460R and the hot 10mm. I am guessing the comp and larger mass of the slide tame the 460R a little. The 10mm is 200gr at about 1300 FPS, so quite a bit more muzzle energy in the 460 Rowland, and a larger diameter to transfer it. Johnny sums it up pretty well in this video. I especially enjoy the part about 1:15 in.
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It was Johnny's video, I don't know where it went, but I did find a cut up and condensed version. The 1:15 time stamp I was referring to can now be seen at about 0:20 on this videoI bought Glock 41 conversion, been 4 months wait but its finally on its way!! could I see the video? it says private
Thanks for the update, great comparison!! Doubt I ever run many rounds thru mine, It's mainly for brown bear defense in the bush>It was Johnny's video, I don't know where it went, but I did find a cut up and condensed version. The 1:15 time stamp I was referring to can now be seen at about 0:20 on this video
7 Year later update.
This is still a fun pistol to shoot, but I have downgraded it from tool to toy because (my experience only):
So, still turns heads at the range, still annihilates waters jugs, but not for serious use anymore.
- After a few hundred rounds the recoil spring shortened/loosened enough that the heavy slide wouldn't go all the way back into battery. I had heard of issues with the lone wolf recoil guide rod being very very slightly short, so I loc-tited the screw and left it backed out one turn. This seemed to fix the issue, but it is an admittedly sloppy fix
- I needed the 160% magazine springs to get the next round up fast enough for the slide to strip it out of the magazine during recoil. Whether it was outgassing pressure during cycling, or just the stronger springs, over time the retention\release notch in the plastic glock magazines wore down enough to drop the magazine after every shot. So it essentially consumes magazines.
Cool. Don't get me wrong, both the issues I had were fixable and understandable given the pressures it was running. The gun wasn't designed for them. I suppose I could have toned down the powder charges but where is the fun in that?Thanks for the update, great comparison!! Doubt I ever run many rounds thru mine, It's mainly for brown bear defense in the bush>