Oregon You may think this is BS but..........

[Bealzybub]

All you would have to do to start a lawsuit is to turn over a 10/22 (for zero compensation) to the state if this law passes. It would give you "standing" in a case of "Obtaining money under false pretenses". At that point everyone else that surrendered weaponry could join in and it would be a class action. It is not only very obvious but veriable that reducing the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens increases gun violence. This is a fact and again verifiable. Look at this link and knowingly tell me I'm wrong.............

False pretenses - Wikipedia

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[justcuz]

Uh, your wrong cuz OMGoodness, you based your entire premise on a wiki cite (?) which lacks any sort of credibility!

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Uh, your wrong cuz OMGoodness, you based your entire premise on a wiki cite (?) which lacks any sort of credibility!

How's this:

Fraud as a Civil Wrong
The court system views fraud as a civil wrong known as a "tort." Each jurisdiction has a specific definition of fraud, but it is generally considered to be the intentional misrepresentation of important facts. For a civil wrong to be considered, certain elements must be in place, including:

• Proving the state of mind of both the perpetrator and victim at the time of the crime
• Proving the fraud occurred with clear and convincing evidence

Fraud as a Criminal Offense
Certain types of fraud are classified as criminal offenses, mainly if the perpetrator is involved in theft under false pretenses. Like civil wrongs, certain elements must be in place for fraud to fall under the category of a criminal offense.

• Intentional deception by false pretense with the intent to convince the victim to part with money or property.
• The belief in the deception by the victim, who actually parts with the money or property under the false pretenses.
• The perpetrator keeping, or intending to keep, the money or property in question.

ORS 164.085¹
Theft by deception

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(1)A person, who obtains property of another thereby, commits theft by deception when, with intent to defraud, the person:

(a)Creates or confirms another's false impression of law, value, intention or other state of mind that the actor does not believe to be true;

(b)Fails to correct a false impression that the person previously created or confirmed;

(c)Prevents another from acquiring information pertinent to the disposition of the property involved;

(d)Sells or otherwise transfers or encumbers property, failing to disclose a lien, adverse claim or other legal impediment to the enjoyment of the property, whether such impediment is or is not valid, or is or is not a matter of official record; or

(e)Promises performance that the person does not intend to perform or knows will not be performed.

(2)"Deception" does not include falsity as to matters having no pecuniary significance, or representations unlikely to deceive ordinary persons in the group addressed. For purposes of this subsection, the theft of a companion animal, as defined in ORS 164.055 (Theft in the first degree), or a captive wild animal is a matter having pecuniary significance.

(3)In a prosecution for theft by deception, the defendant's intention or belief that a promise would not be performed may not be established by or inferred from the fact alone that such promise was not performed.

(4)In a prosecution for theft by deception committed by means of a bad check, it is prima facie evidence of knowledge that the check or order would not be honored if:

(a)The drawer has no account with the drawee at the time the check or order is drawn or uttered; or

(b)Payment is refused by the drawee for lack of funds, upon presentation within 30 days after the date of utterance, and the drawer fails to make good within 10 days after receiving notice of refusal. [1971 c.743 §128; 1991 c.837 §10; 2007 c.71 §49]

 

[John Brown]

Some advice.

Get out more.

 

[Bealzybub]

Some advice.

Get out more.

I cant relax and/or try to defend my civil liberties on my day off? And regardless of the fact that it was a Wiki, it is accurate.

 

[justcuz]

I cant relax and/or try to defend my civil liberties on my day off? And regardless of the fact that it was a Wiki, it is accurate.

Wiki is accurate for OR, WA, ID, oh I know CA, oh maybe UT?

Educational institute's instruct students that they may not use Wiki articles for any resource in their research...
non-peer reviewed 'i think' based information.

 

[Colts4me]

Problem is they are making gun ownership a crime along with certain parts with them, magazines. When they make it a law giving you the choice on how to abide by it then its on you how it turns out. It might be better for them to take your guns by force and use the second Amendment to fight in court but it would have to go to the SCOTUS because the libs own oregon courts. If you live through the confiscation you could show harm.