Russian 1924 Tula M91 Mosin Nagant Finnish Capture $850 OBO

[Gotyoursix]

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Hello All,

Up for sale today is a very interesting 1924 Tula M91 Mosin Nagant Finnish Captured rifle for sale. 99 year old rifle. This is the original first iteration of the Mosin Nagant series of rifles. 1920s era Russian M91 Mosins are rare to encounter(post Russian revolution, low production numbers and societal turmoil). After the massive losses of Russian gear, guns and personnel in WW1 the Russians had to contend with a brutal civil war in the Russian Revolution of 1917. After that fun adventure the Russian people were able to sit back and relax under the "guidance" of Lenin. A time which, I'm sure, was very chill and not the subject of many documentaries. Production of M91 Mosin rifles was low in the post-WW1 decade and the M91 was phased out by the much more common M91/30 starting in...the 1930s.

The Finnish military gained its independence from Russia after WW1 and Finland was a smaller nation with very limited financial means to acquire rifles for their army. The Finns choose the Mosin Nagant as the standard infantry rifle and set about buying hundreds of thousands of the Mosin rifles captured by the various WW1 involved countries. All of those rifles were 1892-1918 dated rifles. Russia and Finland were on uneasy terms in the span between WW1 and WW2. The Russians to my knowledge never sold Mosins directly to the Finns. The Russians and the Finns knew that Russia would try to "incorporate" Finland back into the Russian Empire at some point in the near future. That future? The Winter war and the Continuation War in the background of WW2.

This particular rifle was certainly acquired during the Winter war and the Continuation War. The Finns reworked all rifles they acquired with an eye for fitment and accuracy. This rifle has the Finnish Army "SA" property stamp and marked with a "D" by the Finns(on the barrel) indicating the bore was sized to fit modern 7.62x54r ammo. The original bore diameter of M91 era Mosins is slightly different. The rear sight has the sight distance markings in Russian Arshins crossed out on the left side and renumbered to meters on the right side. The barrel and bolt serial numbers match, considered by collectors as "Finn matching". The Finns typically did not bother to re-number any other parts of the rifle. Bore is excellent.
The original Tula factory markings are completely intact and the rifle is still coated in cosmoline under the barrel and action. Bluing is excellent and shows enough wear to be correct and not re-blued post WW2. This rifle somehow missed the post war refurbishment and being minimally modified by the Finns beyond the rear sight renumbering and "SA" and "D" markings.
Prices for M91 Mosins are a bit all over the place but common M91/30's seem to sell for around $4-500 these days. Finn M91s are much, much rarer and have been reworked by the Finns with an eye for accuracy.


$850 OBO. Excessive lowball offers will be ignored and offending account may be blocked.
No shipping.
If interested or have questions send a PM!

For interested parties, I do have a couple partial trades I would consider.

Finnish M28 M28/30 or M27 Mosin (Correct, non-sporterized)
S&W Model 60(prelock, 38sp only)

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[Phantom Man]

The Finns bought hundreds of thousands of 1891's from Russia and anyone willing to sell them. It is well documented. How are you determining capture date without speculation?

 

[Gotyoursix]

Paragraph 1 and 2. While there is records of the Russians suppling the Finnish Red Guard with 35,000 rifles during the Finnish Civil War in 1918-22, I have not found any records of other sales from Russian in the interwar years. Plenty of records of M91 sales from most participants and belligerents involved in WW2 selling off captured Russian guns m91s dated 1892-1918.
One source: https://www.jaegerplatoon.net
Mosin-Nagants of Imperial Russia

If your research and sources have suggested otherwise please provide the sources via PM. I'm happy to discuss the details about Finnish Mosins, its really fascinating and a bit murky. However, keep it off an active ad and send a PM next time. This isn't the place for a discussion thread.

 

[Phantom Man]

M/91: When Finland achieved independence from Russia, over 190,000 Model 1891 infantry rifles were already stockpiled in the ex-Russian military depots within Finland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

Mosin–Nagant - Wikipedia

 

[Phantom Man]

Paragraph 1 and 2. While there is records of the Russians suppling the Finnish Red Guard with 35,000 rifles during the Finnish Civil War in 1918-22, I have not found any records of other sales from Russian in the interwar years. Plenty of records of M91 sales from most participants and belligerents involved in WW2 selling off captured Russian guns m91s dated 1892-1918.
One source: https://www.jaegerplatoon.net
Mosin-Nagants of Imperial Russia

If your research and sources have suggested otherwise please provide the sources via PM. I'm happy to discuss the details about Finnish Mosins, its really fascinating and a bit murky. However, keep it off an active ad and send a PM next time. This isn't the place for a discussion thread.

During the 1920s, Finland accumulated more Russian Mosin Nagant rifles through purchase or trade with several other nations that had captured stores of the weapon from the Russians during World War I.
WarfareHistorynetwork.com

 

[Phantom Man]

Paragraph 1 and 2. While there is records of the Russians suppling the Finnish Red Guard with 35,000 rifles during the Finnish Civil War in 1918-22, I have not found any records of other sales from Russian in the interwar years. Plenty of records of M91 sales from most participants and belligerents involved in WW2 selling off captured Russian guns m91s dated 1892-1918.
One source: https://www.jaegerplatoon.net
Mosin-Nagants of Imperial Russia

If your research and sources have suggested otherwise please provide the sources via PM. I'm happy to discuss the details about Finnish Mosins, its really fascinating and a bit murky. However, keep it off an active ad and send a PM next time. This isn't the place for a discussion thread.

Milsurp After Hours
https://milsurpafterhours.com › vie...
History of the M91 in Finland

Nov 4, 2007 — The Mosin Nagant Model 1891 In Finland ... There were also over 30,000 M91's bought or traded for by Transbaltica

 

[Phantom Man]

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[Gotyoursix]

PM stands for Personal Message.
Most of these details are in the ad. The ads description was way to long as is. This is an ad, not a discussion thread.

I suspect we may be discussing the same thing. Russia(the country) *to my knowledge* did not directly send Finland(the country) additional post 1918 dated rifles in the interwar years(between WW1 and WW2). Finland did receive or purchase WW1 era rifles (1892-1918) after the war(from many countries other than Russia(the country). The M91 in the ad is receiver and barrel dated 1924(1924 is after 1918).
Inferring from this information, the next opportunity the Finns would have to acquire post 1918 Mosin receivers would be during the Winter war and following Continuation War(WW2). Between the end of WW1 and the start of the Winter War Finland and Russia were on a very uneasy truce. This inferance is why I stated the M91 rifle in the ad is likely a capture from either the Winter war or Continuation war.

If your referring to the 1930s and 1940s barrel dated Finnish Mosin rifles, those are Finnish rebarreled and/or restamped. The Finns never produced their own Mosin receivers. All Finnish Mosins were modified Russian, French or American receivers(the dates are located on the underside of the receiver tang).