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Yeah, thanks for the reply but I'm looking for outdoor shooting areas that you don't have to pay to shoot, and ones that are un moderated, there is an outdoor range 20 minutes from my house but those are lame, I don't want some tough guy breathing down my neck telling me not to rapid fire, I want to be able to set up my own run n' gun course and get some real life defensive pistol and rifle training, somewhere private where not many people will just show up randomly to interrupt our training. I may just have to drive out into the middle of nowhere and find my own spot. If anyone is familiar with the YouTube guy nutnfancy then you already know what I'm talking about.