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What happens when a never papered pre 86 full auto surfaces?

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by jluck, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    Hypothetically speaking of course, What happens if a guy finds pre 86 military M16's that have never been papered? Any way to make them legit?
     
  2. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Unless you're a rich guy, none that I know of.
     
  3. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    I would have to assume that it is stolen from US Military
     
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  4. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    Lot's to assume with fiction. What would be ramifications of having one? Any way to make legit?
     
  5. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Don't ask don't tell...
     
  6. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    No way to paper for civilians. It would be confiscated and you had better have a legit and provable way it came into possession, otherwise you are hosed.
     
  7. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    Not a game I'd play.
     
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  8. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Criminal penalties
    Violations of the Act are punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison and forfeiture of all devices or firearms in violation, and the individual's right to own or possess firearms in the future. The Act provides for a penalty of $10,000 for certain violations. A willful attempt to evade or defeat a tax imposed by the Act is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine ($500,000 in the case of a corporation or trust), under the general tax evasion statute. For an individual, the felony fine of $100,000 for tax evasion could be increased to $250,000.
     
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  9. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    "Hypothetically speaking of course, What happens if a guy finds pre 86 military M16's that have never been papered? Any way to make them legit?"

    I'd rather have a FA I can't take to the range then loose it all together... Hypothetically speaking that I acquired it legally.
     
  10. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    Not I. It's easy to make a AR15 full auto or most semi auto for that matter but it's not worth the risk to me and my family. I can't offer any sort of back story for this conversation just water cooler talk. Supposing a M16 just showed up after passing through many hands, origin unknown.
     
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  11. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    In theory they would put the squeeze on end user.. until they gave up the previous with a promise of going to ClubFed and so on and so on down the line until it surfaced as the original owner.
     
  12. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    My understanding is its either scrap or an illegal/unregistered gun. Period. The machine gun registry is fixed. It contains 186,619 transferable machine guns. I think the way it worked is pre 1968 you could have had a unregistered machine gun and you could "register" it and pay for the tax stamp and be good to go. From the end of the amnesty period (maybe as late as 71?) on there was no registering a unregistered gun, only the legal manufacture of new machine guns up until may of 1986
     
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  13. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Full autos are fun the first couple of times you shoot them, but it's even more fun to watch someone that's never had the experience.
    How much fun could you have knowing that the hammer could drop on your head if caught with it.
     
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  14. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Nothing can be done! That lower would come off of it in a matter of minutes and it would be a really cool parts kit!
     
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  15. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    I recall someone finding their uncle's bring back several years ago - apparently he had bring back war trophy paperwork that never got filed with ATF. They attempted to get it made legit but at the time I heard about it the ATF had it in hand and they had been trying to get it "grandfathered" through attorneys for a few years. The claim was that ATF lost the paperwork. I never heard if they won or lost the end game and that was 20 years ago.
     
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  16. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    really, I would destroy it with fireo_O
     
  17. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    Keep it hid till shtf then it won't matter.
     
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    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    My family had this happen to us! My grand dad brought back a Browning BAR that had been dissembled and shipped home in peaces. After he passed it was passed down to me! Turns out the BAR cannot be grandfathered because it was covered in the very first gun ban of 1923 ( if I am remembering correctly) so, even though it is a pre 1968, it is a post 1923! we ended up donating it as WW2 memorabilia and got a tax credit for its collector value, which at that time was about 20K!!!!
     
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