what could happen to our gun rights in the next 4-5 years?

[lonegunman]

Marxists do not tolerate gun ownership or dissent. They are already demanding we change our constitution to a "South African" model. They even have a socialist/marxist Supreme Court judge supporting it openly(Ginsberg).

If they win the next election, do bet on him leaving office anymore than Castro or Chavez have left office.

 

[kenno]

Nothing will happen to your rights. There may be laws passed which infringe on them, and you may elect to not exercise them rather than risk jail or death. More than a few of you will decide to bowb your buddy and his rights to save your own rump from some problems.

But otherwise, nothing particularly special within the context of an empire in decay.

I elect this Sod's post to be enshrined in a Sticky and give his addy Carte Blanche so that he may prance about at will so that we may know him better as what he is.
I told you,,,,,,
May 1st
He is a "useful idiot"
It does not take a Rocket Sciecetist to pull a trigger on an RPG

 

[Buddhalux]

It could be sooner than we think since last week the Great One made it a felony to protest with a secret service agent present. Guess the 1st amendment doesn't mean anything to him, why would the 2nd?

 

[John H]

Executive Orders/ATF Rules: I think that this is the biggest concern but also the the most limited.

He might be planning on that route

NYT: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals - politics - The New York Times - msnbc.com

 

[fd15k]

He might be planning on that route

NYT: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals - politics - The New York Times - msnbc.com

This is the critical point of the article :

"Obama's not saying he has the right to defy a Congressional statute," said Richard H. Pildes, a New York University law professor. "But if the legislative path is blocked and he otherwise has the legal authority to issue an executive order on an issue, they are clearly much more willing to do that now than two years ago."

Basically there is no broad mechanism to circumvent Congress on all issues, but Obama's intention is to use his power to full extent when he is unable to persuade the Congress on specific policy matters. He still would not be able to take your guns away, or to tax the bubblegum out of them

 

[Jamie6.5]

They'll just regulate it to death.
Just like they have with coal-fired electricity, using the EPA regs.

Wait until you see what is about to happen to the shipping costs on ammunition since the DOT ordered their latest restriction.
No more ORM-D Hazmat. Now it's IATA "Dangerous Goods", requiring special packaging, labeling and transport.

• Other Software: Verify that your recognized third-party vendor or proprietary dangerous goods (DG) software used to prepare your Shipper's Declaration for Dangerous Goods complies with IATA regulations for 2013.

• Packaging: Ensure your packaging, DG markings, DG labels and Shipper's Declaration for Dangerous Goods entries comply with IATA regulations in 2013.

• Labels: Purchase IATA DG labels from IATA at Home or another vendor. FedEx Express does not supply IATA DG labels.

• Identification and Classification Changes: Under IATA regulations, the identification and classification for the following items change as follows:

– Cartridges, Small Arms, ORM-D (IDG) becomes UN0012, Cartridges, Small Arms, 1.4S (ADG).

– Cartridges, Power Devices, ORM-D (IDG) becomes UN0323, Cartridges, Power Devices (ADG).

Since the hazard class is changing from Inaccessible Dangerous Goods (IDG) to Accessible Dangerous Goods (ADG), the service options for shipping and the DG surcharges will change.


Changes for Shippers Using FedEx Ground: Effective Immediately, Required as of Jan. 1, 2014

The new regulations are designed to harmonize with international regulations and will replace the ORM-D, Consumer Commodity, with Limited Quantity classification for all shipments by 2014. After this date, ***** Ground will no longer accept shipments labeled as ORM-D, Consumer Commodity.

Got to comply with the New World Order Uhh, U.N. International (yeah, that's it!) standards for shipping starting in 2014.

Bye-bye shooting sports, one cut at a time.

 

[Jamie6.5]

But then again, the Republican controlled House of Representatives did do this:

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House bill increases hunter access to public lands
WASHINGTON &#8212; A hunting bill passed by the House on Tuesday makes it harder to restrict hunting and fishing on public lands and ensures that the hunter's arsenal will continue to include lead bullets.

If Harry Reid will give it floor time in the Senate. And/or if the democrat controlled Senate will pass it, and if obama will sign it,...
Lotsa "ifs" in there, that are in the hands of the Brady Bunch's favorite party!

 

[pdx210]

I believe the greatest threat will come in two forms and not a direct gun ban

things such as; The bullet serial numbering fiasco a few years back and legislation such as the Maryland state House Ammunition Tax (HB 1125) in 1999 that proposed an ammunition tax of .50 cents per round for ammunition other than anti-personnel ammunition and $5 per round for anti-personnel ammunition."


environmental law & litigation such that lead pollutes so additional fees can be leveraged on firearms, ammo, and their users making firearms unaffordable since they cannot implement a direct ban


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[mjbskwim]

I know this is VERY hypothetical and there isn't a true answer but maybe someone could shed some light on realistic possibilities with real life examples. How would it happen? Will hand guns one day just be outlawed? Rifles/shotguns? Does having things stocked up matter if they were outlawed? Like ammo and firearms? Would police come searching houses of gun owners and confiscate everything that was found? Or will it be slow like mags limited to 10 rounds, concealed permits taken away or made harder to get? I know it could be a dumb question but I find myself asking questions like these. My initial response is ”if you can pry them from my cold dead fingers” but really? Am I going to take on a swat team? lol I don't know what I should expect from responses but I'm just curious what all of you think could happen and how the events might play out

The $64,000 question

Yes to all scenarios

 

[aslinged]

I believe the greatest threat will come in two forms and not a direct gun ban

things such as; The bullet serial numbering fiasco a few years back and legislation such as the Maryland state House Ammunition Tax (HB 1125) in 1999 that proposed an ammunition tax of .50 cents per round for ammunition other than anti-personnel ammunition and $5 per round for anti-personnel ammunition."


environmental law & litigation such that lead pollutes so additional fees can be leveraged on firearms, ammo, and their users making firearms unaffordable since they cannot implement a direct ban


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Yep. They've got another one that just came to light today....something about the IRS being granted power to revoke certain 'special permits' if accused (not convicted mind you) of any sort of tax issues. Nine times out of ten they sneak the really evil stuff deep into some innocuous sounding bill that on the surface has nothing to do directly with the powers they are seeking to grab. And it's only coming faster, harder and with less concern for public outcry as of late.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Depends if we get rid of Obama, or not. And if we get Romney, will his weather vane be pointing the right direction when appoints any new Supreme Court justices.

I just find it so sad that all the gun owners cannot understand that Ron Paul is their best bet for free unrestricted, constitutional, laws. To H*** with all the "entitlements" and other give me's..and I am on Social Security.

Social Security is NOT an entitlement. It's not a gift. I paid for it over the last 45 years. Had I been able to invest that money instead I'd be a multimillionaire, but the government knew better. Now the government owes me what I paid for and what they promised. As long as corporations like GE pay no taxes at all don't you dare talk to me about Social Security being an entitlement.

 

[Scott]

Social Security is NOT an entitlement. It's not a gift. I paid for it over the last 45 years. Had I been able to invest that money instead I'd be a multimillionaire, but the government knew better. Now the government owes me what I paid for and what they promised. As long as corporations like GE pay no taxes at all don't you dare talk to me about Social Security being an entitlement.

Finally somebody gets it. Most of us who work from 15 and on and put money into the system for 50 years and then gets just a fraction of it back is NOT an entitlement.....

Whiz we could invest it in something else I would be happier.

Now I call teacher's and police retirement an entitlement of the tax payers money.....

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[widgeon]

nothing will happen to gun rights no matter who is elected. the NRA lobby is too powerful for any politician to go against gun rights.

 

[pdx210]

Social security was originally funded by employee contributions and it was a 1% tax on employees then in the late 1950's employers started being taxed it was never created to be funded by corporate taxes.
This past year employees pay 5.65% to SS employers pay 7.65% on employees gross wages to SS meaning employers pay more more than employees. regardless the system now takes up 50% of the general fund.

regardless these systems are not sustainable


Social Security Tax Rates

 

[DMax]

It could be sooner than we think since last week the Great One made it a felony to protest with a secret service agent present. Guess the 1st amendment doesn't mean anything to him, why would the 2nd?

Hookers included??

 

[joken]

It's much more suited to the right-wing paranoid persecution complex if you just agree that any democrat will mean instant socialism. This would mean a "papers please" kind of country where any person was submitted to a star forum ON THE SPOT to prove they weren't a terrorist. -O wait, I just described the GOP in Arizona...Wait, must re-compute...system failure...

You Fox viewers seriously need to get out a little more.

Shall I post the list of seventy Democratic Congressmen that are members of the American Socialist Party? It would start with Defazio.

 

[joken]

nothing will happen to gun rights no matter who is elected. the NRA lobby is too powerful for any politician to go against gun rights.

I hope you are a member!

 

[fd15k]

Shall I post the list of seventy Democratic Congressmen that are members of the American Socialist Party? It would start with Defazio.

70 out of 240+... that will definitely put us on an express train to Socialism

 

[hermannr]

nothing will happen to gun rights no matter who is elected. the NRA lobby is too powerful for any politician to go against gun rights.

Keep dreaming...where was the NRS when the put through the GCA68? where was the NRA when they put through the assault weapons ban? Right there in bed with the gun grabbers.

The waya you keep the gun grabbers at bay is to be personally constantly allert, you do not rely on someone else to do the work for you.

 

[DMax]

Keep dreaming...where was the NRS when the put through the GCA68? where was the NRA when they put through the assault weapons ban? Right there in bed with the gun grabbers.

The waya you keep the gun grabbers at bay is to be personally constantly allert, you do not rely on someone else to do the work for you.

Thanks for the personal responsibility clause. You may want to explain what that means for our gun friends who would rather be dependant on Gov vs themselves.