Weyerhaeuser - Longview Fiasco

[Tlock]

There's lots of logging happening on public lands. I have no problems with that, they get a permit or whatever and go to town. Im fine with that, how it should be.
Theres plenty of game too, its much harder due to public pressure true. Its virtually impossible to find a landowner to let us hunt. When all the land is sold, hunting is over.

That's not the case where I'm at. Could just be different location, on logging and game numbers both

 

[Koda]

That's not the case where I'm at. Could just be different location, on logging and game numbers both

I dont know where yiur at but Just about all of western Oregon is covered with clearcuts and loaded with blacktail. Any satellite imagery map will show the logging.

 

[RVTECH]

Someone PLEASE clarify something for me....

Does Weyerhauser in fact actually OWN the land or are they just leasing/renting it for logging purposes?

Reason is I have LONG heard about issues with them, IE similar situations where they are charging horrendous amounts for access to the land, and IF they are just LEASING it, well then this is not acceptable.

My point being in almost 50 years of all outdoor activities I have NEVER encountered a situation (with a logging company) where it was required to to pay for access.

 

[Tlock]

I dont know where yiur at but Just about all of western Oregon is covered with clearcuts and loaded with blacktail. Any satellite imagery map will show the logging.

Yep it is here too.....tell you hit state, nf or blm. Private timber companies have great blacktail hunting! East side is the same but it's alot of boise ground over there. Private land has the best numbers of game. I've spent the last 20 years trapping in the cascades and know the ground like the back of my hand

 

[Koda]

Yep it is here too.....tell you hit state, nf or blm. Private timber companies have great blacktail hunting! East side is the same but it's alot of boise ground over there. Private land has the best numbers of game. I've spent the last 20 years trapping in the cascades and know the ground like the back of my hand

No, im talking about true state land, covered in cuts and plenty of active logging operations.

Hunting pressure is way lower on private lands so its "better" in that regard but there is no shortage of deer and elk in western oregon public lands.
Eastern oregon not so much

 

[Koda]

Someone PLEASE clarify something for me....

Does Weyerhauser in fact actually OWN the land or are they just leasing/renting it for logging purposes?

Reason is I have LONG heard about issues with them, IE similar situations where they are charging horrendous amounts for access to the land, and IF they are just LEASING it, well then this is not acceptable.

My understanding is they own their land.

 

[Tlock]

No, im talking about true state land, covered in cuts and plenty of active logging operations.

Hunting pressure is way lower on private lands so its "better" in that regard but there is no shortage of deer and elk in western oregon public lands.
Eastern oregon not so much

State land here is not getting logged

 

[Koda]

State land here is not getting logged

Where?

General area?

 

[Tlock]

I'm up in lyons....I trapped everything from molalla to sweathole and to the top of the cascades

 

[Tlock]

Trapped for odf too. Few and far timber sales in this district, even burned timber they only salvaged logged a small percent

 

[Koda]

I'm up in lyons....I trapped everything from molalla to sweathole and to the top of the cascades

Well like half of that got burned in the 2020 megafires.
The rest has lots of cuts in sattellite mode but i dont know it those are recent but its been heavily logged...

 

[Tlock]

Well like half of that got burned in the 2020 megafires.
The rest has lots of cuts in sattellite mode but i dont know it those are recent but its been heavily logged...

Yes definitely logged very heavy on franks, freres, weyco, fruit growers, ctc, gustina and Avery. They cleaned up there mess from the fires. Odf, blm, fs.....not so much!

 

[CLT65]

They have to allow access, but nothing says they cant charge for that access, so they charge exorbitant fees for the rich, which virtually locks out the others

Some years back, after Weyerhauser started charging for access, I was talking to an acquaintance who was ecstatic about it. He was well off financially so the fee was no problem for him, and it "kept out the riff-raff" - better hunting for him.

 

[Koda]

Yes definitely logged very heavy on franks, freres, weyco, fruit growers, ctc, gustina and Avery. They cleaned up there mess from the fires. Odf, blm, fs.....not so much!

The public lands in your area was very slow to reopen the areas affected by the 2020 megafires. That whole area your in is unique in that its heavily recreated, and watched closely by anti logging groups like BARK. There's a lot going on in the woods out your way. I imagine the elk hunting isn't as great because of it, I will give you that, just guessing there.
Come over to the coast range where I play and lots of active logging all the time. Lots of fresh clearcuts look like a nuke hit it. Lots of blacktail, incredibly hard hunting, all state public lands. Lots of private timber lands mixed in as well with a mix of access, except Wayerhouser lands of course, got to pay to play there. Big chunk of Wayerhouser land next to some of my spots... Ive seen a few hunters who pay to play in there where they park at the gates. Id hardly call it giving the public a chance at access, and they also limit the number of permits.

If you have access to private land hunts, keep those and enjoy. But remember thats a blessing that most don't have. Big game hunting in the US has been, or at least used to be world renowned largely in part of the west's large expanses of public lands. If it wasnt for our public lands hunting would become private hunting clubs for the wealthy.

 

[Koda]

Some years back, after Weyerhauser started charging for access, I was talking to an acquaintance who was ecstatic about it. He was well off financially so the fee was no problem for him, and it "kept out the riff-raff" - better hunting for him.

If I really wanted to I could afford the $300/person for access but to me it just goes against the nature of hunting for me to pay a huge amount to gain an advantage. Im not the most sucessful hunter because of that choice either, public land hunting is tough.

 

[CLT65]

If I really wanted to I could afford the $300/person for access but to me it just goes against the nature of hunting for me to pay a huge amount to gain an advantage. Im not the most sucessful hunter because of that choice either, public land hunting is tough.

When I was young it seemed that hunting was still subsistence, at least for some. Poor folks hunted to put meat on the table. Wealthy people bought their meat at the market. Yes that's a generalization; I knew plenty of people who loved to hunt and would hunt no matter what.

Nowadays it's the opposite. Hunting is a sport, and not a cheap one. Hunting solely to save money in almost all cases would be a fool's errand. License, tags, gear, fuel, time off work, meat processing; you're typically far ahead to buy meat unless you just love to hunt. Over 25 years ago I realized that I didn't love to hunt, and haven't hunted since. I can't quite talk myself into selling my hunting rifles though, not sure why.

 

[Tlock]

When I was young it seemed that hunting was still subsistence, at least for some. Poor folks hunted to put meat on the table. Wealthy people bought their meat at the market. Yes that's a generalization; I knew plenty of people who loved to hunt and would hunt no matter what.

Nowadays it's the opposite. Hunting is a sport, and not a cheap one. Hunting solely to save money in almost all cases would be a fool's errand. License, tags, gear, fuel, time off work, meat processing; you're typically far ahead to buy meat unless you just love to hunt. Over 25 years ago I realized that I didn't love to hunt, and haven't hunted since. I can't quite talk myself into selling my hunting rifles though, not sure why.

License and tag yes, the rest is n/a for me. I save piles of money by hunting, plus the quality of meat is way better than store bought junk

 

[Koda]

When I was young it seemed that hunting was still subsistence, at least for some. Poor folks hunted to put meat on the table. Wealthy people bought their meat at the market. Yes that's a generalization; I knew plenty of people who loved to hunt and would hunt no matter what.

Nowadays it's the opposite. Hunting is a sport, and not a cheap one. Hunting solely to save money in almost all cases would be a fool's errand. License, tags, gear, fuel, time off work, meat processing; you're typically far ahead to buy meat unless you just love to hunt. Over 25 years ago I realized that I didn't love to hunt, and haven't hunted since. I can't quite talk myself into selling my hunting rifles though, not sure why.

Its definitely flipped, but when I was young hunting was much more productive... rich or poor you could keep a freezer full most years and actually live off game. Nowadays its the new trend. I don't like calling it a sport, the primitive sense of it still remains as sustenance even if its not as productive anymore and more recreational. Its still affordable as long as one isn't the type to keep up with the Joneses, inflation aside... and thats where paying $300 for better access rubs me the wrong way it becomes less about the hunt and more about the money you have.
In full admission, I'm older now so I can afford nicer stuff to hunt with. I grew up hunting out of a Datsun 210 and my 30-30.

 

[Lilhigbee]

There's a simple fix for this if the legislature had any balls; Let the landowner choose between keeping their Designated Forest Land tax deferral with the land open to the public, or gate their land and pay taxes at Fair Market Value. One caveat when they open the land to public access is they are immune to liability if someone gets hurt.

 

[orygun]

When I was young it seemed that hunting was still subsistence, at least for some. Poor folks hunted to put meat on the table. Wealthy people bought their meat at the market. Yes that's a generalization; I knew plenty of people who loved to hunt and would hunt no matter what.

Nowadays it's the opposite. Hunting is a sport, and not a cheap one. Hunting solely to save money in almost all cases would be a fool's errand. License, tags, gear, fuel, time off work, meat processing; you're typically far ahead to buy meat unless you just love to hunt. Over 25 years ago I realized that I didn't love to hunt, and haven't hunted since. I can't quite talk myself into selling my hunting rifles though, not sure why.

Hunting was certainly a community thing when I was a kid, but for the most part, it isn't any more.
Hunting rifles are usually something we're fond of. That's why you're not selling.

Its definitely flipped, but when I was young hunting was much more productive... rich or poor you could keep a freezer full most years and actually live off game. Nowadays its the new trend. I don't like calling it a sport, the primitive sense of it still remains as sustenance even if its not as productive anymore and more recreational. Its still affordable as long as one isn't the type to keep up with the Joneses, inflation aside... and thats where paying $300 for better access rubs me the wrong way it becomes less about the hunt and more about the money you have.
In full admission, I'm older now so I can afford nicer stuff to hunt with. I grew up hunting out of a Datsun 210 and my 30-30.

HA! Too funny, and close to home.
I used Dad's old Chevy pickup at first. Later Frank and I would hunt out of his Subaru 2wd wagon or my Pontiac T1000 (Chevette). We both carried Winchester 94s in 30-30, too.