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It may not be the latest or greatest or even the most powerful but I've had it a long time and it still works. It's a 4 "D" cell mag light. Way back when a baseball bat(or crowbar) was a deadly weapon and a flashlight was a tool it made sense to me to have a flashlight not a baseball bat in my easy rider rifle rack when those were a thing.
 
SAS used similar to mag light in the olden days. Made by sure fire before their name was surefire. Was called streamlight.

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Fenix and Nitecore both have options with dual rear switches, one of which results in the strobe mode being activated. At work I carry the Nitecore P10i and have used its strobe effect to 'stun' a suspect into compliance, rather than deploying a taser or OC spray.
I'd like to hear more about defensive uses. How close was the suspect before you decided to deploy the light and how long did it take you to get it out and used? What was your thought process for using the light instead of other tools? Were you already using the light for important stuff, like being able to see, and the opportunity for the strobe presented itself?

I've been stressing that no tool makes a single bit of difference unless you have a plan and and practice. Some real world stories would be helpful.

What do you think about the new EDC lights with lasers? Useful? Gimmc? Lawsuit waiting to happen? Perfect for antifa to use on cops during their mostly peaceful riots?
 
I'd like to hear more about defensive uses. How close was the suspect before you decided to deploy the light and how long did it take you to get it out and used? What was your thought process for using the light instead of other tools? Were you already using the light for important stuff, like being able to see, and the opportunity for the strobe presented itself?

I've been stressing that no tool makes a single bit of difference unless you have a plan and and practice. Some real world stories would be helpful.

What do you think about the new EDC lights with lasers? Useful? Gimmc? Lawsuit waiting to happen? Perfect for antifa to use on cops during their mostly peaceful riots?
For riotus quietus
On a serious note, at the 0:27 mark see the guy in the white with sling bag on front and his hand is in the bag looking like he is ready to pull out something? That is the reinhoel murderer. He killed a trump supporter that same night in cold blood. He was killed because of the hat he wore. I don't know about a specific plan cuz you never know when an attack will occur or what it will look like (nod to Clint Smith). IMO you have to have tools in the toolbox , know how to use them, and react to the situation at hand in a legal and effective way. Fe if deadly force is needed that has to come out first or you will be dead. That reinhoel bubblegumer was itching to kill anyone associated with Trump.
View: https://youtu.be/PRqLm_2U5rk?si=NxbgH5EV7PE5jDp1
 
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I'd like to hear more about defensive uses. How close was the suspect before you decided to deploy the light and how long did it take you to get it out and used? What was your thought process for using the light instead of other tools? Were you already using the light for important stuff, like being able to see, and the opportunity for the strobe presented itself?

I've been stressing that no tool makes a single bit of difference unless you have a plan and and practice. Some real world stories would be helpful.

What do you think about the new EDC lights with lasers? Useful? Gimmc? Lawsuit waiting to happen? Perfect for antifa to use on cops during their mostly peaceful riots?
I have my duty belt set up so my support tools (flashlight, radio, gloves) are accessible by the left hand. My flashlight is carried directly at 9 o'clock on my belt. Without getting to into the details, I was contacting a subject in a dark area (but not pitch black) and was already in the process of taking out my flashlight. When I got within about 12-15 feet, the individual puffed their chest and took a bladed stance and began verbally threatening me. At this point, I already had the flashlight on the medium brightness and aimed towards the pelvic area of the person, anticipating they were going to be compliant, however once they displayed the aggressive behavior I quickly pointed it towards their face and strobed them for ~3 seconds while giving a clear directive to turn around and place their hands behind their back, which they did. By about 2 seconds of exposure I could tell the dude was totally blinded/stunned and had his OODA loop effectively interrupted.

I hadn't heard of EDC light + laser combos until your post. At face value I feel they're a bit gimmicky and don't see what purpose they're trying to serve from a self defense perspective.
 
I'd like to hear more about defensive uses. How close was the suspect before you decided to deploy the light and how long did it take you to get it out and used? What was your thought process for using the light instead of other tools? Were you already using the light for important stuff, like being able to see, and the opportunity for the strobe presented itself?

I've been stressing that no tool makes a single bit of difference unless you have a plan and and practice. Some real world stories would be helpful.

What do you think about the new EDC lights with lasers? Useful? Gimmc? Lawsuit waiting to happen? Perfect for antifa to use on cops during their mostly peaceful riots?
Interesting video on how to use light fyi
View: https://youtu.be/k7b7uH9Bfxs?si=b_Q8pro36GGlZtAm
 
Fenix fan here also! I've got a couple and highly recommend them. :s0155:
 
... Also remember that lights are part of the force continuum, and are pretty low down on that list. They can be an excellent deterrent on their own, but if you do not have anything to back them up you can squander any advantage they might grant you over a more determined attacker.
I think that's a valid and important point. My search right now is for something that the person without a firearm can use as both a deterrent and as a defensive weapon if absolutely necessary. Detection, identification, delay and retreat are the main purposes of the light in this setting. Possible use of pepper spray is also an option, but only to be used if necessary.
 
I think that's a valid and important point. My search right now is for something that the person without a firearm can use as both a deterrent and as a defensive weapon if absolutely necessary. Detection, identification, delay and retreat are the main purposes of the light in this setting. Possible use of pepper spray is also an option, but only to be used if necessary.
I'm no expert but have used a flashlight as a deterrent a couple times and it did work because once they knew they were being watched/highlighted they left the area. But I was not close to the suspected criminal.

Have used Pom pepper spray on an attacker and incapacitation was instant.

IMO the more tools you have in your toolbox, the more options you have to prevent or disrupt the attack. To me the most important tools we have are in order of most likely to be used:

1) how you treat other people
2) your body language
3) your voice
4) your phone (i.e. criminal sees that you are recording them). Keep in mind that this can get you shot as happened recently in portland
5) flashlight (Keep in mind this could possibly get you shot). Also keep in mind the moment you use a flashlight they know you are there and where you are. That may or may not matter depending on the situation. Fe I wouldn't use it on homeless creepers from my house in most cases. They own the night when you are asleep. Depends on the situation.
6) pepper spray
7) firearm

All just imo from seeing lots of stuff in Pdx bubblegumhole. Note that around here people can attack you for no reason whatsoever. Fe:
View: https://youtu.be/T9jrVhpvAmU?si=vWq3w0sVrRaiyuxT
 
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I'm no expert but have used a flashlight as a deterrent a couple times and it did work because once they knew they were being watched/highlighted they left the area. But I was not close to the suspected criminal.

Have used Pom pepper spray on an attacker and incapacitation was instant.

IMO the more tools you have in your toolbox, the more options you have to prevent or disrupt the attack. To me the most important tools we have are in order of most likely to be used:

1) how you treat other people
2) your body language
3) your voice
4) your phone (i.e. criminal sees that you are recording them). Keep in mind that this can get you shot as happened recently in portland
5) flashlight (Keep in mind this could possibly get you shot). Also keep in mind the moment you use a flashlight they know you are there and where you are. That may or may not matter depending on the situation. Fe I wouldn't use it on homeless creepers from my house in most cases. They own the night when you are asleep. Depends on the situation.
6) pepper spray
7) firearm

All just imo from seeing lots of stuff in Pdx bubblegumhole. Note that around here people can attack you for no reason whatsoever. Fe:
View: https://youtu.be/T9jrVhpvAmU?si=vWq3w0sVrRaiyuxT
Had a discussion with the Sheriff yesterday that included several of your points. Awareness, your confidence level, acknowledging a predator, and your actions all have an effect on an aggressor. I would disagree about a flashlight. I believe that it is a great tool as a deterrent and for detection, but it depends on the situation. 90% of the people in my classes won't have the opportunity to carry or use a firearm or pepper spray so they need something else.
 
Picked up the Sofirn P31 V3 for demo purposes. Found it on Amazon for $29 after the 25% off coupon.

Really impressed with the flashlight. I really like that you can decide what intensity it starts with, and there are no complicated sequences to memorize or scroll through to find what you want. Strobe is a variety sequence when holding down the top button. Seems like it would be very effective if needed for that purpose.

Was going to order one of the flat case lights from Olight, Coast, or NiteCore for EDC but may just keep this one for that purpose.

I suspect that manufacturing is similar to many other consumer electronics manufacturing. Manufacturers come up with the specs that they think will sell and then private label for anyone that wants to purchase their products for distribution. The battery in this one is the same brand as the flashlight so I suspect they are one of the major brands/distributors. Not sure that country or origin really matters since emitters, circuit boards, and switches most likely come from China or Taiwan for 90% of all brands across the board.
 
After having dropped and rendered unreliable a few Chinese lights (that had impressive lumen rating) I found Malkoff. In the last 5 years I carry either a malkoff bodyguard 800 lumens for 10 seconds or so then down to 200 with rechargeable 123 battery or one their 2 cell lights the same size as an e series surefire. This light was originally designed for a federal agency. Malkoff gives you both lumen and candela ratings for its lights and their ratings are conservative. The Chinese lumen ratings are often wildly optimistic as have been demonstrated in a number of technical reviews. For impact candela is more important than lumens. The top tier lights (cloud tactical, modlite, surefire and malkoff) are pretty much in their own category. The handheld versions of the cloud and modlite are 1 inch tubes and not that pocket friendly. Surefire and malkoff both make a thinner light. Both are much more robust (recoil rated for use as weapon lights. Malkoff has lots of choices in small lights in power levels, rechargeable vs. standard 123 battery and tint (cool vs. warm) and makes oem light engines for elzetta.

Modlite and Cloud are the most powerful (lumens and candela though surefire is now offering some pretty powerful versions) Malkoff's keep high lumens longer. This is a matter of tuning the circuits as everyone is limited by the available LEDs. However I won't carry the full size tube lights so cloud and modlite really don't interest me in this (pocket carry) context. I think high end pocket carry comes down to surefire and malkofd. Malkoff gives a 10 percent discount for police/fire/first responder/military and 20 percent for first time buyers.

Malkoff also offers a 2 cell aa light that works very well as a short stick (think 2 cell mini maglight 300 lumens with clicky switch.). I use that as my bedside light as it turns on at a very low level that doesn't wake up my wife in the middle of the night. The only time I ever had to return a malkoff was this light and it turned out nothing wrong with the light I was using lithium aa batteries that wouldn't let me access the low level. Switched to eneloops and no problem.

I also carry a tiny 1aaa light from countycomm for close work as a backup. It's been reliable for 8 continuous years of carry. Long winded but this subject is complex.
 
Some day I will turn my own flashlight body and build it in an extendable baton. A flashlight that becomes a baton with the flick of a wrist. It would be great for walking my dog in the evenings to wort off stray dogs in the neighborhood.

All my flashlights use 18650 batteries. I have a dozen or so lying around charged so it is quick to put a fresh battery in.
 
After having dropped and rendered unreliable a few Chinese lights (that had impressive lumen rating) I found Malkoff. In the last 5 years I carry either a malkoff bodyguard 800 lumens for 10 seconds or so then down to 200 with rechargeable 123 battery or one their 2 cell lights the same size as an e series surefire. This light was originally designed for a federal agency. Malkoff gives you both lumen and candela ratings for its lights and their ratings are conservative. The Chinese lumen ratings are often wildly optimistic as have been demonstrated in a number of technical reviews. For impact candela is more important than lumens. The top tier lights (cloud tactical, modlite, surefire and malkoff) are pretty much in their own category. The handheld versions of the cloud and modlite are 1 inch tubes and not that pocket friendly. Surefire and malkoff both make a thinner light. Both are much more robust (recoil rated for use as weapon lights. Malkoff has lots of choices in small lights in power levels, rechargeable vs. standard 123 battery and tint (cool vs. warm) and makes oem light engines for elzetta.

Modlite and Cloud are the most powerful (lumens and candela though surefire is now offering some pretty powerful versions) Malkoff's keep high lumens longer. This is a matter of tuning the circuits as everyone is limited by the available LEDs. However I won't carry the full size tube lights so cloud and modlite really don't interest me in this (pocket carry) context. I think high end pocket carry comes down to surefire and malkofd. Malkoff gives a 10 percent discount for police/fire/first responder/military and 20 percent for first time buyers.

Malkoff also offers a 2 cell aa light that works very well as a short stick (think 2 cell mini maglight 300 lumens with clicky switch.). I use that as my bedside light as it turns on at a very low level that doesn't wake up my wife in the middle of the night. The only time I ever had to return a malkoff was this light and it turned out nothing wrong with the light I was using lithium aa batteries that wouldn't let me access the low level. Switched to eneloops and no problem.

I also carry a tiny 1aaa light from countycomm for close work as a backup. It's been reliable for 8 continuous years of carry. Long winded but this subject is complex.
Malkoff makes an excellent product and several serious light assemblers use them including Arisaka. They also make a bunch off legacy light upgrades that bring several older lights into the 21st century and they make the only head worth owning that will power from a single CR123 battery. I have pretty much standardized on Modlite with a little CD and SF sprinkled in there.
 

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