1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!
  2. We're giving away over $1,000 in prizes this month in the Northwest Firearms Winter Giveaway!
    Dismiss Notice

The ProGun Movement Is Growing

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by longcolt, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

    Likes Received:
    Good info from the Shooting Wire!

    West Virginia's closing in on one of those tax-free guns and ammo holidays. West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin is expected to sign a bill passed over the weekend by the West Virginia Senate that will set out one day in October when state sales tax on guns and ammo will be eliminated.

    It seems these sorts of holidays, along with a movement among the states to declare guns made, sold and used within their borders as no longer subject to federal regulations are pretty clear declarations that the citizenry has had about all the Washington intervention it can tolerate. South Dakota has joined Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming and Montana in declaring the state's internal firearms industry (if one emerges) as no longer covered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms regulations.

    Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association is the unofficial "godfather" of the movement. Other states considering similar legislation are: Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.

    And on the international front, it seems there's an emerging groundswell for the preservation and expansion of firearms rights wherever possible. We learned yesterday that the Second Amendment Foundation has joined The International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR).

    According to the SAF's Alan Gottlieb, organizations and gun rights activists from Sweden, Norway, Germany, the United Kingdom, Canada, Italy and the United States met last week in Norenberg, Germany to kick their work off.

    Their official slogan: "Liberty and Security"

    And it seems the movement is growing, with Switzerland, Belgium, Argentina, Finland, India, Israel, Greece, South Africa, Australia and the Philippines also looking at joining the group.

    "Self-defense is a human right," Gottlieb says, "that is not just limited to citizens of the United States thanks to our Second Amendment. We look at IAPCAR as an organization that can counter the world gun control campaign currently being waged by the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA). We will provide rebuttal to IANSA's misinformation and myths about firearms ownership, and work to expand the individual human right to defend ourselves and our families from crime, the violence that often accompanies civil unrest and the growing threat of terrorism."

    IAPCAR will have offices in Washington, DC and Vienna, Austria. Mark Barnes, a Washington attorney will serve as managing director.

    As the firearms freedom movement continues to grow - we'll keep you posted.
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
  3. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

    Likes Received:
    Wow. Get a life, guys.

    I seem to recall a few years ago when the same screams of outrage were directed at the people who RESISTED the government interventions in our lives. But that was a different president, so it was okay then, huh?

    Majority rules and all, and BTW, which one of you claims to be a Constitutional Lawyer?
    The real world is a little more complex than your right-wing shoutfests would claim.

    Ask yourself this: What do I KNOW, and what have I merely been TOLD? Simply repeating somebody else's political talking points is a fool's game. If you think that there is a partisan solution to our political crisis, then you haven't been paying attention for the past DECADE.

    Personally, I'm a PATRIOT, not a PARROT.
  4. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

    Likes Received:

    What is important being this is a gun forum is that we all support the folks running for office that support gun rights. It probably doesn't matter if they are right wing, left wing or in the middle.

    There was a time when the Democratic party was the champion of gun rights, its important to redirect them back to that position on their agenda.
  5. djm68

    djm68 Portland, OR Member

    Likes Received:
    Could not agree more! I am pretty stunned, and disappointed, that the "right" has now become so vocally anti-govt because a "D" is in office. Did not hear too much of that during the last 8-9 years as our economy was pillaged, and federal spending grew beyond belief. Where were all the "small govt" R's then?

    Partisan politics are killing this country, not "R's" or "D's" or "libs" or "conservatives". Every 4 - 8 years we get a new Pres with a new cabinet and a "new" agenda. Guess what? Nothing really changes that much under a D or an R. Both parties have sold out, heavily, to lobbyist money.

    Real change will only come when the likes Ron Paul or even Ralph Nader can rise to office. Ron Paul represents the core values of the Republican party and Nader is quite progressive...and yet their respective parties demonize them as they would upset the flow of corporate cash.

    If you are down in Portland sometime, let me know, and I'll buy a beer!

  6. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

    Likes Received:
    Please expand on that, was it when the democrats were running the KKK?

    Norman Thomas wrote; "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing it.
    He went on to say "I no longer need to run as a presidental canidate for the socialist party. The democrat party has adopted our platform"

    Look at any country that is socialist and tell me they support gun rights and I'll tell you you are full of . . . . ! The ussr, or cuba or venizula or . . . all socialis countries which is what sean penn and the rest of the democrats are trying to do to this country. Heck look at the new socialist health care the democrats rammed down the American peoples throats. Democrats as champions of gun rights, you are high! The Republican party isn't what it should be but it is a thousand times better than the democrats/socialist party.
  7. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

    Likes Received:
    Actually their was time when the Democrats stood up for gun ownership and the second amendment. In the 1950's and 1960's we had a more rural population and guns were like tools kept in the mud rooms.

    The Democratic Party then represented the working blue collar folks and the farmers and gun ownership was a given.

    Things sure have changed since the population move to large Urban areas. Now Democrats tend to represent the large urban inner city populations and guns to them are instruments of crime as shown on the streets and TV.