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The Power of Nightmares, Documented

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by slideguitar55, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. slideguitar55

    slideguitar55 washington Member

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    A person can spend the entire lifespan of their lives, attempting to understand the workings of a World they can neither agree with, nor find the Truth of.

    This stance is a Given.

    However, every once in a while, a Truth will surface and stare a person dead on in the eye's,
    Giving that person the opportunity to come to a better understanding of the World and it's workings.

    Depending on that person's Programing, that person will either open up to the Truth and absorb it,,,,

    or,,,, call it a lie and remain ignorant of Truth.

    Here is a Link to a Documentary.

    it is done in 3 parts
    each 1 hour long.

    http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

    If you choose to watch this Documentary
    you will understand that Arguments will blast this thread
    Hard .
    Rog'
     
  2. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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    Any movies that makes a direct comparison between American conservative opposition to Bill Clinton and Islamic militants is just plain outlandish. I would also like to add that the film states Soviet Communism was never a threat to the United States...WTF!!?!?! This guy has about zero understanding of politics of any region on this Earth. One would have to be a true Chomsky fan to sit thru this drivel. But that's just my review. :)
     
  3. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    This isn't an outlandish left-wing movie, and the filmmakers don't assert that neoconservatism is functionally similar to Islamic terrorism. And it's not about opposition to Bill Clinton - he is as much of a neoconservative as he was a liberal. It's a serious film about the parallel development of two very different political philosophies that have had a huge influence over world events of the last decade, and how they both were reactions to the excesses of heavy-handed socialism and the culture shock of the modern era.


    I've been meaning to see it...
     
  4. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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    You been meaning to see it...good for you...I have seen it, and I stand by my comments.
     
  5. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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  6. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    :thumbup:
    The Power of Bad Television
    The BBC’s bizarre new documentary on terrorism and neoconservatism.

    By Clive Davis

    Even before the first episode went on air, the BBC's new documentary series, The Power of Nightmares was being showered with superlatives. "Brilliant," "fascinating," chirped the chorus of bien-pensant admirers. The Guardian, inevitably, was at the forefront: "This intelligent, scintillating series is a must for anyone who has the remotest interest in what is going on the world." Even the conservative Daily Telegraph joined in on Monday, heading its op-ed page with a column by the paper's political correspondent Rachel Sylvester, printed under the headline: "Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid . . . It's What Blair and [Home Secretary] Blunkett Want."




    Thanks to Jim Geraghty's outraged response on the Kerry Spot, NRO readers will already have some idea of the arguments put forward in the series, written and produced by the award-winning film-maker Adam Curtis. The Power of Nightmares would have us believe that the international terrorist threat is a myth concocted by governments and orchestrated by a cabal of devious neoconservatives. Since the public has lost faith in ideology, politicians must now use fear in order to maintain their hold over the masses. Al Qaeda is a figment of our imagination; there are no sleeper cells, and talk of lethal dirty bombs is all so much radioactive hot air.

    If that seems bizarre enough, the series also sets out to claim that the Islamists and the neocons are, in reality, soul mates. As Curtis explained in a magazine interview this week: "My original intention was to look at the neo-cons and then the radical Islamists. I was astonished to discover that they have the same philosophical roots. They both believe that the problem with modern society is that individuals question anything; by doing that they [those individuals] have already torn down God, that eventually they will tear down everything else and therefore they will have to be opposed."

    This symbiotic relationship with Islamism will no doubt come as a surprise to the good folks at the American Enterprise Institute. It is a sign of how fevered political debate has become in Britain's media-land that such lurid, Michael Moore-ish notions are given a prime-time slot on the channel that once gave us Kenneth Clarke's Civilisation. BBC executives were nervous enough about the contents of Curtis's films to ban the showing of trailers in the immediate aftermath of the murder of the British hostage, Kenneth Bigley. But normal service was quickly resumed, blanketing the TV and radio airwaves with teasing clips juxtaposing fundamentalists and Cold Warriors.

    After seeing a preview tape of the first installment of the three-part series, I can only say that Jim Geraghty's account — which was based on a Guardian report — was actually understated. The opening episode amounts to a ludicrously one-sided account of the rise of the neocons which manages to impute all manner of sinister motives to a tight-knit circle devoted to the teachings of Leo Strauss. In Curtis's world, it is Strauss, not Osama bin Laden, who is the real evil genius.

    Slick editing and arty use of archive footage cannot hide the flimsiness of the concept. I am no expert on Strauss, but I know enough about him to be aware that much of his thinking was influenced by his first-hand observations of life in Weimar Germany. Curtis's narrative cleverly fails to mention this point, portraying Strauss and his followers as responding to the wickedness of American suburbia. The program is not short of American talking heads — Harvey Mansfield, Paul Weyrich, and Bill and Irving Kristol are among those taking part — but the editing of the interviews is manipulated to support Curtis's conspiracy theories. One of the most egregious examples is Curtis' portrayal of the Reagan-era arms build-up as the fruit of a devious "Team B" plot (supervised by Paul Wolfowitz and the eminent historian Richard Pipes) aimed at misleading the American public about the nuclear threat from the Soviet Union. While Pipes is allowed to present his arguments in the sketchiest of terms (he was, in effect, questioning the efficacy of the CIA long before it was fashionable), Curtis proceeds to rubbish him with the help of disarmament expert Anne Cahn, who concludes that the Harvard professor's claims were "fantasy." Pipes, perhaps the world's leading expert on Kremlin ideology, is left looking an amiable dunce. British viewers, unaware of his distinguished career, will be none the wiser. Pipes tells NRO in response to it all: "The allegations made by Ms. Cahn and others about Team B are so preposterous that I would be at a loss to answer them: they are similar to those made by the Holocaust deniers. They sort of leave you speechless."

    Even odder is the treatment of Michael Ledeen. Curtis portrays the AEI maverick as the dupe of CIA "black" propaganda disseminated during the 1970s with the aim of portraying the Soviet Union as the coordinator of international terrorism. The program goes on to accuse Ledeen of using the dubious material in a bestselling book which subsequently convinced CIA director William Casey to over-rule his more cautious analysts and instigate a tougher line against Moscow.

    There is one problem with Curtis's theory about Ledeen's book, The Terror Network: The Secret War of International Terror. It was written not by Ledeen, but by his friend, the investigative journalist Claire Sterling, whose death in 1995 was acknowledged on the floor of the Senate by one of her admirers, Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Ledeen was traveling in Spain this week. When I contacted him with a partial transcript of the program, he was understandably bemused: "Almost everything Claire said was borne out by the Stasi files," he told me. "The situation at the CIA in the '70s was very similar to what's happened over Iraq. The CIA was busy saying that the Soviets weren't involved in international terrorism. This at a time when the PLO actually had training camps in the Soviet Union."

    Of course, nothing in the murky world of intelligence is ever straightforward. Nevertheless, British producers, hooked on Chomskyite visions of "Amerika" as the fount of all evil, are clearly not interested in even beginning to dig for the truth.

    — Clive Davis writes for the Times of London and the Washington Times.
     
  7. slideguitar55

    slideguitar55 washington Member

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    First, thank you all for your opinions and reviews.
    That said, a short of my own.

    1. Bay of Tonken Viet Nam, which was used for our excuse to escalate troop build up in Viet Nam, Has been admitted by
    The C.I.A. to have been one of their Orchestrated Theatrics for just such a Purpose.

    2. From my own personal experience in 1973 in Midland Texas, with George Bush Sr. ,, Cheny and a Rockerfeller,
    I can delineate an anecdote in a context by which the gestalt thereof could not easily be misconstrued.

    I was present at a meeting in a Field Office when the above held a meeting to shut down the highest output
    Pumping units to help create a spoofed Oil Crises.

    My life was threatened by those men back then.

    Given the above two incidents, and all that i have been involved in before and after both of these events, I can
    well assure you that the Documentary has a Ton of Truth to it.
    Thank You all
    Rog'
     
  8. jimwsea

    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    I basically agree with this video, except on one major point. The video makes it appear that the neocons were innocent dupes who were trapped by their own beliefs. To me, the neocons and the CIA created Al-CIA-duh to further their agenda of world supremacy (read their Project for a New American Century), and created Osama as a symbol of a never-ending war on terror that sucks money from the economy and gives it to the military-industrial complex to accomplish their goals.

    Notice that the definitions of terrorists have shifted from Saudis (Bush: Bin Laden, I don't think about him anymore), to domestic terror cells, and lately to veterans, tea-partiers and gun owners. Don't let these criminals take our guns away! (had to make it firearm-related :D)

    Some of Part Three had me laughing so hard I almost fell off the chair.

    9/11 was an inside job.
     
  9. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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    9/11 truthers suck IMHO
     
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    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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  11. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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  12. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Since you don't seem to know the difference between "the Bay of Tonken" (wherever that is) and the Gulf of Tonkin off the coast of Vietnam, I'm thinking I'll need more than just your assurance,...
    Just sayin' :D
     
  13. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    You know, come to think of it,...
    It's this kind of topic and discussion on a gun board that gives me nightmares.

    Can we all wake up now??
     
  14. slideguitar55

    slideguitar55 washington Member

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    Deny everything
    admit nothing
    make counter accusations

    The Motto of Intel and Co-Vert Ops.

    In the late 1970's, Christopher Boyce worked at TRW in Redondo Beach California ,
    He had High Clearance and his job was inside what was called
    the Black Vault.
    While he worked there, he watched missives from Field Agents of the C.I.A. and other Intel Agency's scroll across
    a Classified Computer screen.

    Later, he was arrested , convicted and held incognito in a Federal Prison unto this very Day as i write.

    In the spring of 1983, an envelope was thrown onto the front seat of my pick-up.

    Inside the envelope were Classified Documents from that same computer.

    I lived directly across the street from where Chris worked.
    The door he entered the building everyday for work was quite visible from my window.

    What Chris had reviewed WOKE him up. he then began to download Documents and send them to the Embassy's of the countries that were victims of Military and C.I.A.
    co-vert operations. FRIENDLY TO THE U.S.A. COUNTRIES

    What i reviewed in the Classified Documents i received,,

    WOKE ME UP AS WELL.

    As for the Chomskyite name calling,
    Noam Chomsky himself reviewed some very interesting documents.

    I know that causes some very nasty people some fear.

    I can make a nice list of events manipulated by those nasty people,
    The list and where to look for evidence to back it up.

    But this is about the Documentary
    and my list is in several other forums not Firearm related.
     
  15. slideguitar55

    slideguitar55 washington Member

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    Jamie
    i get tired at times, like right now and i write fast.

    Bay or Gulf does not to me matter when i am tired and,,,

    was not the point, the POINT Jamie
    It was a Staged Theatric, and the repercussions from that STAGED Theatric is what matters.

    Read my initial statement Jamie
    The last sentence of that Original Post.

    also the Statement that went something like :

    "Depending on that persons programming"

    Programming Jamie,,,, give that some thought if you wish.

    Public School as a venue for State Run Programming Jamie.
     
  16. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Okie dokie
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  17. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Boyce was freed from Parole last year. He was "a nut job on a crusade."
    Get it right or get off.

    From Wiki:
    The red text is mine, so we would all know what "Lompoc" is.
     
  18. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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    Not sure where to start.......how about Wiki
    Boyce was released from prison on parole on September 16, 2002
    Boyce was released from parole after serving 5 years in July 2008. There are no restitution requirements on Boyce's parole.
    Boyce later justified his actions by claiming that he was selling this information in the hopes of fostering peace between the Soviet Union and the United States.

    "Boyce considered going to the press, but believed the media's earlier disclosure of CIA involvement in the 1973 Chilean coup d'état, which had resulted in the overthrow and killing of Chilean president Salvador Allende, had not changed anything for the better.

    Instead he gathered a quantity of classified documents concerning secure U.S. communications ciphers and spy satellite development and had his friend Andrew Daulton Lee, a cocaine and heroin dealer since his high school days (hence his nickname, "The Snowman") deliver them to Soviet Embassy officials in Mexico City, returning with large sums of cash for Boyce (nicknamed "The Falcon" because of his long time interest in falconry) and himself.

    Boyce, then 24, was exposed after Lee was arrested by Mexican police in front of the Soviet Embassy in December 1976 on suspicion of having killed a police officer. During his interrogation, Lee, who had top secret microfilm in his possession when arrested, confessed to being a Soviet spy and implicated Boyce. Arrested in January 1977, Boyce was convicted in April of espionage and sentenced to 40 years in prison at the federal penitentiary in Lompoc, California."
     
  19. slideguitar55

    slideguitar55 washington Member

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    This is better
     
  20. svxr8dr

    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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    Just so I have this straight, you are claiming to have been at a meeting with Bush Sr., Cheney, and Rockefeller, in fact they all directly threatened your life that same day. then later you received secret documents from Christopher Boyce. please feel free to post up said secret documents at your leisure
     
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