Well, we know that that's a gonner but it started as a starter.. these days we gots some necked stuff with velocity and it's all goot? I think we now kinda know that velocity in certain forms might not do a soul so good, depending on what, hence the necked and fast .357sig and whatnots (fast things). And of course the .30 luger is downloaded (since it's over a hundred years old.. heavens to Betsy!) but if you were to do the math (lol), since you can put a 9 to 50,000psi, and.. nevermind. you'd think it'd be the best jackrabbit exploder ever.